TM new releases: @Hobby Show 2011 Japan
 

Hi folks,
here you some peeping views of TM's new models.

http://www.hyperdouraku.com/event/ho...105/index.html

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HIGH CYCLE AEG:
-STEYR
features factory custom high cycle motor & mech-box, improved chamber,etc...


EBB AEG:
-SCAR-L CQC
-G36C
Basically, these models features shortened barrels.
G36C will have a stock with cheek piece and alminium CNC machined upper rail.


GBB HANDGUNS:
-SIG P226 E2
It's a 2010 model of SIG SAUER!
features newly designed magazine which can store +20% than existing P226 models.

-Hi-CAPA5.1 match custom
features tube front sight, match-gun slide,long slide stop,etc...


FIXED SLIDE HANDGUNS:
*NOTE: .44 mag will be added to existing 5 models line-up.
These 6 models will have a improved hop-up system,
and build materials will be changed to get it more realistic.

-DEZART EAGLE
-STEYR M-GB
-WILSON SUPER GRADE
-CENTIMETER MASTER
-AMT HARD BALLER
-DESERT EAGLE .44 MAG< NEW!!>


PARTS for GBBs:
-50rounds long magazine for GOVERNMENT models.
--and TM plans to release 50rds mag for Hi-CAPA models later.
-custom parts for GBB handguns(TRIGGER, SIGHTS, HAMMER etc...)
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It looks no "brand new" models.
I hope someone enjoy.

Hey, it's a bit strange to ask here but I am a native Japanese and not knowing how you guys buy airsoft guns. All thing I know is there are strict law which prohibits importing replica firearms.

If TM produces clear AEGs, or GBB guns, is it makes you easier to import?
I'm just curious.

Marui... you days as an innovator are long over
you have become the next Western Arms...spewing more variation of variation...like how many Hi-Capa/1911 version are there? Kinda like how many 1911 series WA have

AEG goes to...ICS, G&G, ARES, and KWA
KSC/KWA seem to be surviving in Gas department (with annual release of 1 or 2 pistol)
WE is the innovator in GBBR variation (GHK seem to be doing alright)

Hicapas frames look high tech.. lol

50 round mags for Hicapa are already out, I don't get it?

Sad to see no new guns or innovations with TM.

Oh, thanks for your tips. and kinda sad to hear that for me TM fan.
but I think these TM guns are overpriced.

I bought Kingarms SR-16 E3 in March.
nicely build and it's no probrem to "shoot" out of the box.

I think 50rds mags for glock are on the market.

I've heard good things about kingarm guns just wish I'd see more more available here.

Tortally agree!

Since you're AV'ed I've PM'ed you info you need.

FFFFFFFFFFUUUUUUUU... Marui! Where's the XDm and M&P????

At least, that AUG is a true A3 variant! Only in CQB instead of rifle... they need to make the rifle version too.

Soon Tokyo Marui will be in the same boat like evry other Japanese manufacturer whose product has been cloned, close up shop or just make enough to survive in it's own domestic market

Yup TM is definatly goin the way of the Dinosaur.

Yep, and it will be their own fault. Looks like they think they are still the only one on the market and they are not trying hard enough.

Agreed and they charge way too much for plastic guns there pistols are twice as much and break in half the time. Unless ya drop 500$ into em

Well, complacency in a competitive business environment does tend to do that. If you don't innovate you die. That is unless your business strategy is to let someone else do all the R&D then clone their product after the fact. Right now I think they're going the way of AMD (except without the anti trust thing) after their K8 procs, being complacent and just basically rehashing their processors without any truly large innovations.

Now on another note. What would people say is a good company to get a 1911/MEU/Desert/Night Warrior/Hi-Capa from? I'd still probably say TM since they're "the best" for GBB's and a common name but is there any better? I'm not willing to shell out for a WA though (too expensive especially after mags).

KSC/KWA - are pretty up there with their Sys7/NS2 guns (based off their GBB Glock design) and I know their Glocks are superb (I own a KSC G19 myself)
WE/SOCOM Gear - I'm not really sure about since it's generally accepted they're pretty low quality (unless they've improved and someone can correct me on this)
WA - Out of my price range (especially after adding up the price for mags)

Any other guns/companies I should consider (keep in mind that price is a factor)? I'm basically looking for a workhorse pistol for CQB/outdoor FIBUA games. I'd like it to be 1911 based, perferably an MEU or Desert/Night Warrior, however I am looking at the Hi-Capa 4.3 and it's a pretty capable platform too. Also no I don't want to get an NBB Mk.23, yeah it's nice but not really for me.

No not really it's more like their unwillingness to pursue those who have cloned their AEG mechbox design ie Classic army, King Arms, G&P etc. and their unwillingness to secure those rights from the real steel counterparts to properly manufacture these replica and market them outside of Japan (They still like to think that Airsoft is for JDM use only)

The clone company can thank marui big time as all the present designs of AEG mech box as all of them evolve from Marui in some sort of form but as the so called benchmark of Airsoft quality they are lagging in their designs and innovations, there is only so much variations of Hicapa or M4 you can stomach I for one would love to see Marui develop a GBBR with their know how and existing facilities I'm sure they can produce a GBBR with better quality and performance than the WA, WE, and G&P platform

Marui is just following the rules, unfortunately clones do not

I beleive that's the extended 1911 (single stack) mag everyone has been chomping at the bit for ....

ARMY builds a very respectable full metal MEU, its still a clone, but the quality is pretty nice, the meister MEU as well is a decent clone., the KWA and WE both take proprietary 15 round mags instead of the 28 round mags the TM clones have as well,

Information amended:
Sorry, my misunderstand.
Long mag for government(single stack) is 40rds capacity. NOT 50.

Yeah, that's true, but look what clone companies did. They made guns compatible with TM, gave them solid body, shitty entrails and made f-loads of variations. What TM did? Well...not sure, really, but they for sure didn't start to made millions of new customized guns. They probably still thinks like: "Who would buy chinese gun, when they can buy ours."
And what are many players with not that magical wallets doing? They buy chinese gun, chinese mags, chinese everything and TM gears. And TM won't survive just by selling gears. That is, of course, just what I saw, maybe elsewhere people still prefer to buy TM rather than method mentioned above...

Well you are wrong again TM is simply abiding by the rules in regards to metal components in their guns, the clones based out of HK and Taiwan don't have the maximum 280fps rule like in Japan so their cloned guns do not have to be plastic and since they allowed much higher fps unlike in Japan they are free to make theirs out of metal. The first batch of Classic army metal bodies back in 97 are so heavy and inaccurate to the TM dimension that most of the time we have to dremel it to make it fit the only ones that have a perfect fit are the ones that payed for the license from Tokyo Marui like PDI, PMI, Systema etc. Before the existence of King arms, G&P, Guarder etc there are companies based out of japan that does killer modification companies like Mosquito mold, carrot, PMI, PDI Killer studio etc. again due to the lack of enforcement from clone company that most of these companies with the exception of a few survive. It benefit us as a customer in theend because the choices that we have now eclipse the amount of parts we have back in the 90's, in the end even though we benefit from the so called rise of the clones in airsoft technology and manufacturing we still can smile and say thanks to Tokyo Marui for at least jump starting the airsoft movement swing going from gas rig to AEG and back to the current gas phase

There are nothing wrong with Chinese cloned guns, even the top japanese brands have their bad models, I was very skepticals about these chinese brands when they first pop out years ago (Classic army, G&P, King Arms) now the way these three companies have improved in their QC impress me to the point where my active guns are King Arms and Classic army, hell I still have one of teh original CA g3 metal bodies.

Marui can stick with making GBBs and let everyone make aftermarket kits/parts for them.

G&P eats the AEG market in Hong Kong, these Taiwanese brands are only 'popular' in Canada cause it's not in good ol Commie China.

I hate not being able to watch uncensored movies and browse the Internet freely.

:confused: I thought I heard awhile ago that marui was concentrating more on their trains?

Yeah but there's 50 round hi-capa mags too already available.

Oh God!! A real AUG A3! WooHoo!!!

I can'T wait for that thing to come out!

That's true. Marui is changing their business model back to it's core "models" trains, RC etc. Supposedly they are going to release more reliable EBB systems that shoot 350, such as the SOPMOD, AKMN, and SCAR.

Aside from the GBBs and a handful of other guns like the VSR10, FAMAS, P90, M14, I don't see myself ever touching a Marui gun again.

350? I thought the laws were 1 Joule which would equal to about 328 (330 for the sake of a round number) on .20's

Clarification: The announcement is for stainless versions. I'm totally excited about this one, as I am about the 40 round extended single stack mags.

First thing I'll do is grab a bunch of the 50 round Hi-Capa stainless mags and mod them all to 170mm length.

And it's about time they came out with the 31 round stainless mags... I'd been making my own for a couple years now, I'm surprised it took them so long to finally do it.

Nothing from Marui gets my interest anymore. You can get much better elsewhere now. Anyone who still insists Marui is top dog all around is living in the past. They may have invented some cool stuff with AEGs and mechboxes, but they've had zero real innovation since and have been riding the coat tails of their own success since. You can only do that for so long. Regardless of Japanese laws, cloners, etc, they still haven't stepped up their game with any significant innovation in many years.

Although I will say that a stock TM AEG, if treated right, will probably outlast any other stock gun on the market, most people will only deal with the wobbly plastic bodies and low velocities for so long before going the upgrade route. And honestly, I don't know how many times I've heard stuff like the infamous recommendation for TM because "I've had my TM for X years and it's never failed me...". But when you look at those guns, more often than not it's had most of the externals replaced with metal bodies, stronger barrels, stocks, etc and most of the guts replaced. The actual percentage of TM parts left in the gun is quite minimal at best. To me, that negates the argument right there. Some people have old stock TMs, but I'd say those are a minority.

I consider TM to be pretty irrelevant in the AEG market. They should just stick to GBBs, since they do those better than most other companies.

Actually, TM has already moved on to metal receivers, bolt lock back on empty magazines, and blowback that rivals all EBB competition for a couple years now, all with the build quality we've come to expect from Tokyo Marui... we just don't see them much on Canadian shores these days, and thus, many airsofters in Canada aren't aware of these new innovations.

I've seen one of the newer M4 SOPMOD, and they're nice. If I was looking for an M4 AEG and didn't already have one, I'd consider it. But in the end, the blowback features are just a gimmick and don't interest me much (although TM's is the best to date). There's just not enough there to sway me in that direction. It's still more of the same with a slightly different spin. I'd still probably go for a CA or just build my own over buying a TM.

It would be interesting to see TM getting into the GBBR market though. They're the kings of the GBB world. It seems logical that GBBR should be the next step rather than reinventing the 1911 / 2011 wheel over and over again. Even GBB SMGs would be nice to see.

The M4 SOPMOD, SCAR and AKMN all shoot ~350 out of the box. I had for a brief time a MN, and sopmod. Very reliable guns very well built. Better than the G&P/ICS stuff we see in Canada today. Just that we have 0 import route for TM guns.

I agree that Marui should get it's head out of it's ass, and move into the SMG/GBB market before it's too late. Mind you they don't really care all that much as airsoft is such a small component of it's income.

Actually.... I know that recently TM released an electric scooter or something to that effect and they also have their model train subsidiary so it's not like they really need to divest and innovate in the airsoft world. Still it would be nice though, and it would be an extra income stream for them and good all around. That said, if they're not major players anymore then they're not major players anymore it's as simple as that.

... maybe on 0.12g BB's. That's equivalent to 272fps with 0.20g BB's, which is a bit below Marui's claimed range for most AEG's.

Not sure where you're getting your guns, but they're definitely not shooting 350fps with 0.20g out of the box. That automatically breaks the Japanese 1 Joule law and would shut down Tokyo Marui. Japanese law enforcement is very strict on this, and several local shops have already been shut down for modifying guns to shoot as little as 350fps.

The hottest an out-of-the-box Marui AEG or spring gun's ever shot out of my hands, is 310fps.

Are you using a radar based chrony? Those don't work well for airsoft and can give readings like what you're quoting.

I absolutely agree on that, but status quo is different and TM's current strategy is something that could slowly kill them.

Was using a Radar based chrono shooting .20

Have you been to echigoya in Japan or any of the other airsoft / hobby chains in the last year? Lots of WE GBBr shooting 400+ hanging on the walls, lots of Made in China A&K, JG guns all shooting well over 1j. it's one thing about having the law, it's another with enforcement and it appears that enforcement is very lax in my eyes. You still see many many many different brands of made in japan springs that are advertised as 0.999999 Joules rating. I somehow don't see store owners downgrading their made in china guns.

Also wasn't it also illegal to have full metal guns made? I wasn't sure about this but Marui has been releasing full metal guns for over a year probably 2+

I actually haven't been back to Japan in almost 10 years now. My information is just based on news reports from about 2 years ago. I wasn't aware that China guns had such a popularity in Japan.

It turns out that was a myth. Seems like plastic guns was just a cost saving measure, especially if the gun is handling fine at 270fps, then there's no need to make it stronger. If all you're using is duster gas, then it's a non issue. Marui's been releasing metal bodied guns for close to 3 years now, since the introduction of their recoil system. I guess the recoil caused some durability issues that required the upgrade to metal? Or maybe they finally realized that they'd have to at least go to full metal along with new innovations if they wanted to stay afloat in this market.

The vsr-10 is still the best sniper platform on the market. Don't be hatin :)

Tor and Vidallia

while it is true that there are many clone guns up for sale in Tokyo but I would'nt call it ground breaking since they all have to function with duster the only GBBR that I saw used to skirm with when I was there a year ago was the WA. The WE that you mentioned were never allowed in the field to play with unless it was a private game, the metal gun rule was a bit relaxed over the years but they still check these stores often ever since these chinese cloned guns start to make an appearance in the JDM market. A close friend who came back from Tokyo before the massive earthquake said that he witnessed the police confiscated a bunch of AEG believed to be King Arms that were shooting over 300fps off a shelf in an airsoft store in nagoya

Thanks for pointing out, You are right. I missed again lol
I should correct the info.

"Stainless" made 50 rds mag for HI-capa is introduced at the show.
black 50rds mag already exists.

truly sorry for misleading.

recently, TM started a twitter account.
and they did not denied the possibility of GBBR release in future, responding to the inquery from GBBR seeking fan.

though they said "We cannot say anything about future plan but I can say we are considering everything" written in Japanese ofcourse.

I think it's clear that TM considers its main market on domestic sales.
that's why they have not applied for mecha-box patent in other countries.

but recently TM started to get patent of EBB mechanism in US and China.
though I still see some EBB clones in market.

Oh i love Marui! Thanks for the Steyr HC AUG!!! More infos of this AEG in english please!
How much will it be? Are there shops in japan, which shops worldwide/to europe?

I love the receiver, looks like a "MSAR STG-E4 Rail Black".

The AUG A3 SF (Special Forces) would be nice too:
http://img88.imageshack.us/img88/5068/2076084.th.jpg

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Well I am stoked that TM released an AUG A3! Though I wish it was a bit more true to the actual design of the real steel, not modified to make it look 'cooler' (the front of the top rail doesn't taper off like the back, just nitpicking). It also is a pain that the older AUG mags aren't compatible due to the new nozzle length in the A3 (I saw it in the article somewhere). Hopefully there is a compatible lower rail to replace the chunky looking one in the pics and video. And where would the front sling mount be now? I didn't see one. If a retailer could get their hands on this, I'd buy it.

Now it would be even better if Classic Army released this with the Steyr trademarks on it.

I hope that ugly lower rail can be removed.

I've heard that older mid-cap spring mags are compatible.
new hi-cap magazine has a reinforced spring to go with the high-cycle.

one more feature of HC AUG: there will be a "semi-auto" lever position.:p

Hmm, do you think you can mod the TM AUG HC from this:

http://img851.imageshack.us/img851/4...5581144526.png

to the real A3?

http://img14.imageshack.us/img14/925...yrmannlich.png

This scope would be nice :)


And... The AUG HC RIS-rail on the top is not made of metal?

That's good news about being able to use mid-caps. The semi-auto only position sounds sweet, you still have the original options of safe and the two-stage trigger (half depress = semi, full depress = auto), but now it has a semi-auto only postion which will come in handy if the field you play on has range engagement rules (semi only within a certain distance). I think it's a great idea.

As for the lower rail, it looks like a regular AUG pin is holding it it, so there should be some options (like adding a regular AUG vertical grip).

I think modding shouldn't be too difficult, though I wonder why TM just didn't release a full size AUG A3?

What I really want to know is, when is this coming out(I know it will be a while before and Canadian retailer could get their hands on it, but it would still be nice to know)!

fps of the Steyr HC?

the package of AUG HC will incrude muzzle extention to attach silencer. so with this, I think it makes closer look.

I'm not sure the material of top rail.
receiver is made of zinc alloy.

AUG HC will coming out in July. the spokesperson said.
translating TM's tweet, AUG HC's design is based upon "AUG A3 9mmXS".
hope it may help somehow for AUG fans here

http://www.popularairsoft.com/tokyo-...medium=twitter

The top rail is made of 'resin containing glass fibers', weird way to say it.

I was at Echigoya 2 years ago and they had no clue what JG or CYMA were.

Oh, i was wrong. Its a "STEYR AUG A3 9mm XS" copy.
A very good one, everything except the mag is identical. Here the RS gun:
http://img845.imageshack.us/img845/6...xssteyrman.png

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Now i like it still more!!! fps?

Yes, thats also my source, but maybe they translated (or google did ;) ) something wrong.

That AUG is interesting...but wrong. AUG 9mm XS. Shouldn't be using the standard 5.56mm pattern magazine. Hopefully someone comes out with an adapter to use Uzi mags.

Well at least it has a real steel counterpart, but I still would have liked an a full size A3 more, I'll see what mods can do to it, like an extended outer barrel. Better than nothing I guess (or that ugly ass JG AUG A3).

I want AUG ughhh. Time to my P90 aside.

So, who is the first Shop with the TM AUG HC?
Someone know a Airsoft online-shop in Japan?

I don't think its been released yet for sale

Nope, not yet next month

Its planned release is some time in july but the exact date is unknown as well as what retailers will carry it

Well I'm sure redwolf, ehobby, wgc etc etc the regulars will be carrying it. Just sit and hold tight. I'm sure I'll be in Canada for a profitable selling price after its release to the market.