Madbull Real Steel to AS Conversion
 

http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/w...38-tm-tfb1.jpg

As posted by the firearm blog:

I'm assuming this is the fruition of their once vapourwared training shells, unless Firearm Blog guy is working from old info.

Queue discussions on accidents, cool factor and legal matters.

Bad bad bad idea if this falls in the wrong hands

http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2...n-airsoft-gun/

There seems to be discussion in the link above.

Oops sorry, thought I hyperlinked, doing that now.

lol ohh man that doesn't sound good at all....

Its interesting because we strive to make our airsoft guns as close to the real thing by adding real steel parts, real trades, using higher quality materials, and that is considered OK but to use a real shotgun converted to airsoft seems to spark a lot of attention o.o

While I do not understand how it works I can see how people can be scared that it was a firearm, but to say someone is going to load it with real ammunition is going too far, lets be honest.

Some air soft replicas are so close that if someone brought a real gun, who would know?

Also this is probably not intended for civilians.

That is the stupidiest idea ever, converting real steel into airsoft launchers.... what were they thinking ??

Considering it's illegal to point at firearm at anyone, loaded or not, and besides the fact it's just plain not a good idea to do that...

No, this is a fucking horrible idea.

TRAINING SYSTEM
Not for airsoft play. Kinda like Simmunition.

Should I put it in a flashing marquee too?

Still, it's airsoft and not simunitions.

It's just wrong.

Guess you never heard how Bruce Lee's son Brandon Lee died huh?

Dimitri

The Airsoft shells have been on the market for over two years ago.

I'm pretty sure MadBull realized the legalities involved with using real steel so if they are available it's to LE and Military only.

I guess it doesn't help when I say the Airsoft shells work in real steel regardless, that is if you want the extractors to DESTROY the shell overtime :D

he died cause the movie people decided to take real bullets pull them apart taking out the gun powder but they forgot to take out the primer which was enough to push the bullet forward and killing him had nothing to do with airsoft

I used to point firearms at people 9-5 and very few of them came away with deep emotional scars.

+1 on that cuz I used the shells on my Mossberg 500 and it works just fine.

On another note I think the best way to avoid confusion is either paint the shell or shotgun a different color and label it for that purpose alone. I know a couple of police departments label and paint a shotgun dedicated for non-lethal rounds and also aren't you supposed to read the labels on the shells before loading?

Hunh?

People point real firearms at each other all the time during training. Blanks, simunitions, etc. It's no big deal.

This is not an item for skirmishing. It's from a company that makes airsoft parts but it is meant for a totally different market.

The sky is not falling.

Right, you might want to check what some units and groups within the LEO community are starting to use for training besides Simunitions, this would complement the airsoft they're already using quite nicely as airsoft shotguns are rather unrealistic and complete trash for the most part

Like Danke, I've pointed real firearms at more people than I can count and none of them ever had problems with it. In fact, most of them learned something and improved.

I agree with what Gato said.. I know that the OPP is switching from simunition and beginning to use PTW's.

I totally understand why.. do you know how much is costs for simunition ! that is soo expensive lol.

Not quite, the bad dummy rounds lodged a bullet into the barrel, it was not until later when the gun was deemed "safe" later that it was loaded with blanks that pushed the bullet that was originally lodged in the barrel that killed Brandon Lee.

Point is, dicking around with firearms is dangerous. There have been plenty of accidents. And its foolish to think that each and every person who decides to say they are shooting a "airsoft conversion" shell really is. Doesn't take much to mix up ammunition of similar size, shape and color.

Dimitri

Well if it's used for training by LE or military, there's no problem. The real problem is if this is sold to the general public. I understand we are trying to make our guns as realistic as possible, but when you bring a real shotgun to a game, "airsoft chambered" or not is just asking for trouble IMO.

I don't know, I think you guys are mostly overreacting to this;
In this "sister's thread" (I don't feel like linking) where it's about the release of the shells themselves, the same kind of reactions was sparked, and it was stated by many members that "with a modified shotgun barrel so it can't load live ammo would be acceptable"; Madbull comes with exactly this, and it still is no good?

One could buy a Tanaka/AirsoftSurgeon M870 (AKA Slug Shot) at nearly a grand in Canada, and it would be great. But in the end it comes to the same exact thing. A shotgun is really just this, a barrel, trigger/hammer and a fire pin, be it airsoft or real. Of course, the Airsoft version might blow you in the face if loaded with real shells, but the risk of injury/death is just the same.

I myself stated in that other thread that I wouldn't be confortable if a player would come with a RealSteel and shoot those so-called training shells (not sure why you guys keep saying that's for a different market, and not for airsoft, etc... it's all the same). Now with a modified barrel, made by a reputable company, I wouldn't mind that much, as long as its known and proven that the gun's been modified and won't accept real shells.

On another note, what prevents me to build a shotgun (just like that China Lake guy) full metal and all, and load live shells? Same result really.

Food for thoughts?

Edit: just a precision on my personal thoughts on the matter; I'm not saying "go bring these in on the fields there's no problems there". I'm kind of on the fence on what to think about this really. Since many concerns were already depicted by previous posts, I chose to play the devil's advocate mostly. Still, I think what I wrote nonetheless