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endability March 23rd, 2014 15:07

Gameface gf15a4 will not hit target from 10 feet away and now it wont even shoot.
 
I bought the gun yesterday and i charged the battery for over 5 hours and when i tried shooting it the bbs would just go all over the place not even near where my sights where on i went 5 feet away from the target and it would just go down and to the left eventually it would just keep misfiring and no bbs would come out and when i put it on fully auto the fuse started glowing orange and the grip of the gun was almost burning hot. Wtf is this bullshit did i just waste my money? I seen so many good reviews for this gun... I hit the target 2 times out of 30 shots and all the shots were lined up perfectly. Now the gun wont even shoot semi or auto i pull the trigger and nothing happens... :banghead:

Jimski March 23rd, 2014 15:16

-you need to check if the barrel is jammed.
-for that a rod is necessary.
-you need to clean the barrel.it might be laced with bb plastic or other unnamable stuff.Clean it well.Clean it again.
-you need to fully release/unwind the hop up system to make sure bbs go completely through.
-check with a rag on your cleaning rod if there is oil in the hop up system
-try the gun again

if it is jammed, switch from single to full to safe again and again.

HackD March 23rd, 2014 15:21

Utter Crap. Start re-saving.

CA sportline/Game-face thread on this forum indicating it's general state of horridness, to an underage user looking for one.

http://www.airsoftcanada.com/showthread.php?t=143462

Brit ter March 23rd, 2014 15:21

Read the noob threads ! When you get a new gun you should keep it on semi for awhile to work it in abit ! What type of BB,s where you using ?

endability March 23rd, 2014 15:40

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brit ter (Post 1877981)
Read the noob threads ! When you get a new gun you should keep it on semi for awhile to work it in abit ! What type of BB,s where you using ?

I had it on semi the majority of the time i had it, it refused to shoot accurately, im using crosman 0.12g bbs

Brit ter March 23rd, 2014 15:45

Quote:

Originally Posted by endability (Post 1877991)
I had it on semi the majority of the time i had it, it refused to shoot accurately, im using crosman 0.12g bbs

There's your answer ! Cheap bbs with a seam on them , never fire cheap bb,s in your gun !Double polished Bb,s only

Brit ter March 23rd, 2014 15:46

Would be surprised If they are crushed in behind your piston ! They also slice your hop - up!

Brit ter March 23rd, 2014 15:47

Never use 12 gr. bbs either !

Drake March 23rd, 2014 15:51

Hello endability,

Unfortunately the Gameface GF15A4 is pretty much a piece of junk. I know that's disappointing to hear, but there's no other way to put it.

Since you just bought it yesterday -- presumably from a retail chain or sporting goods store -- I would suggest you get a refund for it. While the cheap, lightweight BBs were no doubt the culprits for the bad accuracy, the subsequent issues with the gun would have likely happened no matter what.

So get a refund, read up on the forums on what to get, and start fresh with a better quality gun.

endability March 23rd, 2014 16:20

Quote:

Originally Posted by Drake (Post 1877996)
Hello endability,

Unfortunately the Gameface GF15A4 is pretty much a piece of junk. I know that's disappointing to hear, but there's no other way to put it.

Since you just bought it yesterday -- presumably from a retail chain or sporting goods store -- I would suggest you get a refund for it. While the cheap, lightweight BBs were no doubt the culprits for the bad accuracy, the subsequent issues with the gun would have likely happened no matter what.

So get a refund, read up on the forums on what to get, and start fresh with a better quality gun.

I wish that was an option but unfortunately i bought the gun off kijiji. I read alot online and most people are saying that its a blown fuse so i looked at my fuse and its brownish black at the end. Im pretty sure this is my problem because right before it stopped shooting my fuse started glowing red and got really hot. Good thing there only $2 at home depot. ill check back after i buy the fuse and higher quality 0.20g bbs.

HackD March 23rd, 2014 16:42

Quote:

Originally Posted by endability (Post 1878001)
I wish that was an option but unfortunately i bought the gun off kijiji. I read alot online and most people are saying that its a blown fuse so i looked at my fuse and its brownish black at the end. Im pretty sure this is my problem because right before it stopped shooting my fuse started glowing red and got really hot. Good thing there only $2 at home depot. ill check back after i buy the fuse and higher quality 0.20g bbs.

It grew hot, because the gun was/is jammed solid, internally.

You are pressing the trigger, telling the motor to spin. The motor can't spin, and it and the trigger-sled grows hot/overheated and the wiring starts letting the smoke out. It will also have over-stressed the battery. If you are lucky, the fuse did it's work in time, to allow you to take things apart further with some chance of getting it working again, and see where it is jamming at. If it's the mechbox.. congrats, you've now got your first gundoc adventure awaiting.

Hate to be a bummer here, but it's sounding like a bit more than a $2.00 fixit.

Brit ter March 23rd, 2014 16:52

The damage might already be done ! It may take more than a new fuze now !

MultipleParadox March 23rd, 2014 17:11

Yeah it's bad to think a blown fuse IS the problem; fuses burns *because* of a problem, they are the symptom, not the inherent problem of the gun

Only changing the fuse and trying the gun again will just result in more damage and a second burnt fuse

pusangani March 23rd, 2014 18:13

This is the solution

http://www.gdefair.com/product_pic/g...0894175541.jpg

endability March 23rd, 2014 18:15

Quote:

Originally Posted by HackD (Post 1878007)
It grew hot, because the gun was/is jammed solid, internally.

You are pressing the trigger, telling the motor to spin. The motor can't spin, and it and the trigger-sled grows hot/overheated and the wiring starts letting the smoke out. It will also have over-stressed the battery. If you are lucky, the fuse did it's work in time, to allow you to take things apart further with some chance of getting it working again, and see where it is jamming at. If it's the mechbox.. congrats, you've now got your first gundoc adventure awaiting.

Hate to be a bummer here, but it's sounding like a bit more than a $2.00 fixit.

That would make sense, if that's the case do you know how exactly I would take my gun apart and un-jam it?

HackD March 23rd, 2014 18:44

Unfortunately, as pusangani's image shows, that might be the only economical option.

It might be repairable, depending on what jammed, and what broke and where.

There is no telling the presence or absence of mechanical mayhem awaiting, within and without of the gear box shell, without making it go explody in a controlled fashion with screw-driver in hand. Similarly so, just in disassembling the gun to get to the gearbox itself, without breaking something else along the way...

It's a five minute diagnosis sitting on the desk in front of me. It's only infinite variables of random grief with a cheap throw-away gun, from any further away than that.. sorry.

Jimski March 23rd, 2014 19:02

Quote:

Originally Posted by endability (Post 1878027)
that would make sense, if that's the case do you know how exactly i would take my gun apart and un-jam it?


dude this is post #2 in this thread

endability March 23rd, 2014 19:49

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jimski (Post 1878045)

dude this is post #2 in this thread

I followed your instructions and i used the rod to check if the barrel had anything in it but it seems to be empty.

Jimski March 23rd, 2014 20:24

then you need to open the gun

endability March 26th, 2014 10:08

Haha, turns out the fix was very, very simple. I just took the motor out and shined a flashlight in the gearbox and noticed a gear was misaligned so I got a fork and pried back in it and it works perfectly now :) real good thing I didn't listen to those people telling me to throw it in the trash..

EchoFourTwelve March 26th, 2014 10:21

I'd still take their advice and throw it in the garbage.

Jimski March 26th, 2014 10:38

Quote:

Originally Posted by endability (Post 1878728)
Haha, turns out the fix was very, very simple. I just took the motor out and shined a flashlight in the gearbox and noticed a gear was misaligned so I got a fork and pried back in it and it works perfectly now :) real good thing I didn't listen to those people telling me to throw it in the trash..

This is a lesson here for all ASC Gun Doctors ah ah ah
:D:p:rolleyes:

Stealth March 26th, 2014 10:40

The fix makes no sense though.
How badly would something have to be assembled such that it can become mis-aligned and then able to be "pried back in it" with a fork?

What's preventing the issue from re-occurring?

K3vX March 26th, 2014 10:48

Oh god.

Jimski March 26th, 2014 10:50

The new hi-end tool for all gun doctors

http://www.woburn-china.com/images/D...%20fork-02.jpg

pestobanana March 26th, 2014 12:15

I don't understand.... How do you clear a gear jam with a fork? This is some next level shit.

lurkingknight March 26th, 2014 12:26

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stealth (Post 1878734)
The fix makes no sense though.
How badly would something have to be assembled such that it can become mis-aligned and then able to be "pried back in it" with a fork?

What's preventing the issue from re-occurring?

plastic everything is plastic.

Danke March 26th, 2014 13:13

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jimski (Post 1878733)
This is a lesson here for all ASC Gun Doctors ah ah ah
:D:p:rolleyes:

I will fork-give you if you fork-get.

Danke March 26th, 2014 13:18

Quote:

Originally Posted by pestobanana (Post 1878749)
I don't understand.... How do you clear a gear jam with a fork? This is some next level shit.


endability's mother: [endability's mom walks in on him, in full costume, rummaging through her silverware drawer] Jeffrey, what are you doing?
endability: Um, I was just, um, uh, um, I'm, uh...
[shifts to British accent]
endability: I'm a gun doctor, mother.
endability's mother: A gun doctor?
endability: An effete British gun doctor, to be precise. I am pilfering your tableware because I fix guns with i it. I fix them so they can hurl BBs with a deadly accuracy at targets up to ten feet away. Endability is my name. And yes, I know I don't wear much blue and I speak in a British accent, but if you know your history it really does make perfect sense.

Brian McIlmoyle March 26th, 2014 13:58

put a fork in it , it's done

EchoFourTwelve March 26th, 2014 14:15

Will there be fork stations at NF3? Cause if my gun goes down i need to be able to fix it.

BioRage March 26th, 2014 14:24

Quote:

Originally Posted by EchoFourTwelve (Post 1878786)
Will there be fork stations at NF3? Cause if my gun goes down i need to be able to fix it.


pusangani March 26th, 2014 14:35

I always take my multitool in the field with me for on site repairs

http://i.ebayimg.com/00/s/ODYzWDExMD..._id=880000500F

pestobanana March 26th, 2014 14:45

How do you even fit a fork in the motor slot

Quote:

Originally Posted by Danke (Post 1878771)
endability's mother: [endability's mom walks in on him, in full costume, rummaging through her silverware drawer] Jeffrey, what are you doing?
endability: Um, I was just, um, uh, um, I'm, uh...
[shifts to British accent]
endability: I'm a gun doctor, mother.
endability's mother: A gun doctor?
endability: An effete British gun doctor, to be precise. I am pilfering your tableware because I fix guns with i it. I fix them so they can hurl BBs with a deadly accuracy at targets up to ten feet away. Endability is my name. And yes, I know I don't wear much blue and I speak in a British accent, but if you know your history it really does make perfect sense.


Brit ter March 26th, 2014 15:04

First you hit it with a hammer then use the fork to pick up the pieces !

endability March 26th, 2014 15:08

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stealth (Post 1878734)
The fix makes no sense though.
How badly would something have to be assembled such that it can become mis-aligned and then able to be "pried back in it" with a fork?

What's preventing the issue from re-occurring?

It is a very common problem and it has nothing to do with the assembly, the cheap bbs were preventing the gears from turning at a normal rate causing stress on the battery and gearbox. Goldenball proslick seamless bbs will prevent this from reoccurring

SuperHog March 26th, 2014 15:08

Maybe if you drop it hard it might bump it back to life.....


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Danke March 26th, 2014 15:25

Quote:

Originally Posted by pestobanana (Post 1878792)
How do you even fit a fork in the motor slot

Lobster fork? Not really sure; I'm not a gun doc.

endability March 26th, 2014 15:26

Here's a video tutorial for those people who don't understand the fix. youtube.com/watch?v=p7mjWGRBszc

pusangani March 26th, 2014 15:30

Quote:

Originally Posted by endability (Post 1878804)
Here's a video tutorial for those people who don't understand the fix. youtube.com/watch?v=p7mjWGRBszc

here's one that deals with your specific gun model
youtube.com/watch?v=oHg5SJYRHA0

endability March 26th, 2014 16:18

Quote:

Originally Posted by pusangani (Post 1878806)
here's one that deals with your specific gun model
youtube.com/watch?v=oHg5SJYRHA0

Lol I thought people stopped doing that years ago...

pusangani March 26th, 2014 17:20

Quote:

Originally Posted by endability (Post 1878824)
Lol I thought people stopped doing that years ago...

I thought the same thing about buying clearsoft lol

pestobanana March 26th, 2014 17:24

That's not a fix, that means it wasn't broken to begin with

Still though, how the fuck do you do that with a fork, I usually have to use pliers.

SDrodge March 26th, 2014 17:43

Quote:

Originally Posted by Danke (Post 1878771)
endability's mother: [endability's mom walks in on him, in full costume, rummaging through her silverware drawer] Jeffrey, what are you doing?
endability: Um, I was just, um, uh, um, I'm, uh...
[shifts to British accent]
endability: I'm a gun doctor, mother.
endability's mother: A gun doctor?
endability: An effete British gun doctor, to be precise. I am pilfering your tableware because I fix guns with i it. I fix them so they can hurl BBs with a deadly accuracy at targets up to ten feet away. Endability is my name. And yes, I know I don't wear much blue and I speak in a British accent, but if you know your history it really does make perfect sense.

Mystery Men for the win!

endability March 26th, 2014 17:49

Quote:

Originally Posted by pestobanana (Post 1878844)
That's not a fix, that means it wasn't broken to begin with

Still though, how the fuck do you do that with a fork, I usually have to use pliers.

I just used a plastic fork because it was all i could find at the time and broke off all the teeth but one and stuck the tooth in between the gear and pried back its as simple as that... and yes it was a fix, i "fixed" my locked gearbox...

endability March 26th, 2014 17:55

Quote:

Originally Posted by pusangani (Post 1878842)
I thought the same thing about buying clearsoft lol

lol it's called a tight budget... I see that you gave crappy advice, but that's no reason to go around trolling like a child. Grow up and go back to elementary school thats the only place where kids still rick roll... lol

Brit ter March 26th, 2014 17:59

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Here we go !

lurkingknight March 26th, 2014 18:32

I'll be less of a dick here and try and explain what's going on here..

basically you bought a rubber dingy and are trying to sail across an ocean filled with carbon fiber speedboats... and you just said you fixed your boat with bubble gum.

You'll find little sympathy or empathy with issues and triumphs with your chosen chariot, because everyone else in this ocean can afford their nice speed boats.

You sound like you're 15, so here's some advice, get out of the water unless you want to get run over or run out by those who don't play nicely with baby boats. This place does not accommodate those who can't afford to buy into the same level of gear.

If you show up with your gun to a serious game played by those here, you'll be laughed at. If you go beyond that and actually try and play, you'll be shot from 2-3x farther than what your gun could even dream of shooting. There are only broken dreams and tears that everyone else around here will find delicious.

Your only redemption is just to back away for now until you can come back with a bigger boat.


Of course, if you like being a source of entertainment in an otherwise quiet week.

BogardusFoul March 26th, 2014 18:44

Quote:

Originally Posted by lurkingknight (Post 1878864)
I'll be less of a dick here and try and explain what's going on here..

basically you bought a rubber dingy and are trying to sail across an ocean filled with carbon fiber speedboats... and you just said you fixed your boat with bubble gum.

You'll find little sympathy or empathy with issues and triumphs with your chosen chariot, because everyone else in this ocean can afford their nice speed boats.

You sound like you're 15, so here's some advice, get out of the water unless you want to get run over or run out by those who don't play nicely with baby boats. This place does not accommodate those who can't afford to buy into the same level of gear.

If you show up with your gun to a serious game played by those here, you'll be laughed at. If you go beyond that and actually try and play, you'll be shot from 2-3x farther than what your gun could even dream of shooting. There are only broken dreams and tears that everyone else around here will find delicious.

Your only redemption is just to back away for now until you can come back with a bigger boat.


Of course, if you like being a source of entertainment in an otherwise quiet week.

Well said.

SuperHog March 26th, 2014 18:46

So, if you are really 18. Get AV'd and we will show you the world of good stuff!

I won't laugh at you because <18 eventually you will be >18 in time.

Kokanee March 26th, 2014 18:58

Quote:

Originally Posted by endability (Post 1878795)
It is a very common problem and it has nothing to do with the assembly, the cheap bbs were preventing the gears from turning at a normal rate causing stress on the battery and gearbox. Goldenball proslick seamless bbs will prevent this from reoccurring

What you just typed is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever read. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this forum is now dumber for having read it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.


It sounds more like you pulled the anti-reversal latch, not fixed a "misaligned gear".

Here is a link to check out;

http://www.airsoftsociety.com/forums...t-gun-works-7/

Once you understand what exactly you did you'll be able to use the proper terminology and people won't think you're just talking crap.... Bully for you though on making do with a plastic fork, don't think I would have thought of that one.

pusangani March 26th, 2014 19:10

Quote:

Originally Posted by endability (Post 1878857)
lol it's called a tight budget... I see that you gave crappy advice, but that's no reason to go around trolling like a child. Grow up and go back to elementary school thats the only place where kids still rick roll... lol

nah it's called being a noob and not doing your research before buying

redzaku March 26th, 2014 19:12

Having a tight budget is a bad justification for getting a crap gun, there are many guns that are in the same price range as a game face, you are not looking hard enough

endability March 26th, 2014 19:24

Quote:

Originally Posted by lurkingknight (Post 1878864)
I'll be less of a dick here and try and explain what's going on here..

basically you bought a rubber dingy and are trying to sail across an ocean filled with carbon fiber speedboats... and you just said you fixed your boat with bubble gum.

You'll find little sympathy or empathy with issues and triumphs with your chosen chariot, because everyone else in this ocean can afford their nice speed boats.

You sound like you're 15, so here's some advice, get out of the water unless you want to get run over or run out by those who don't play nicely with baby boats. This place does not accommodate those who can't afford to buy into the same level of gear.

If you show up with your gun to a serious game played by those here, you'll be laughed at. If you go beyond that and actually try and play, you'll be shot from 2-3x farther than what your gun could even dream of shooting. There are only broken dreams and tears that everyone else around here will find delicious.

Your only redemption is just to back away for now until you can come back with a bigger boat.


Of course, if you like being a source of entertainment in an otherwise quiet week.

Wow judging people upon what airsoft gun they have? very shallow i must say. has god given you the ability to see my age through a computer screen? thats a pretty bold assumption saying im 15 and its totally untrue. who said i cant afford better gear? i just didn't want to go all out just yet and i already brought the gun to a game nobody laughed or even cared people are just there to have fun. the gun shoots just under the fps limit. im not denying that its a piece of shit, i know it is, but it is certainly usable. i thought i could have a formal conversation with other people with knowledge on the subject, apparently thats not the case with some people so im done with this thread, goodbye.

pusangani March 26th, 2014 19:29

Was this guy at the game you went to?

http://media.canada.com/130a8bfe-903...ature-J_13.jpg

endability March 26th, 2014 19:31

Quote:

Originally Posted by pusangani (Post 1878885)
Was this guy at the game you went to?

http://media.canada.com/130a8bfe-903...ature-J_13.jpg

Before i leave i would just like to say that the game i went to is 17 and older.

pestobanana March 26th, 2014 19:37

People are laughing less about your gun and more about the way you presented yourself and your problems.

EchoFourTwelve March 26th, 2014 19:39

OH! 17 and older! OP must be 17.

Jimski March 26th, 2014 20:02

you guys don't get it.He made a vow of cheapness.

:)

Kokanee March 26th, 2014 20:15

Quote:

Originally Posted by endability (Post 1878884)
...has god given you the ability to see my age through a computer screen?....


HEY, keep it in church man.

ThunderCactus March 26th, 2014 20:17

Quote:

Originally Posted by endability (Post 1878795)
It is a very common problem and it has nothing to do with the assembly, the cheap bbs were preventing the gears from turning at a normal rate causing stress on the battery and gearbox. Goldenball proslick seamless bbs will prevent this from reoccurring

I'll actually be helpful here. He may be young, but he just doesn't understand what he's doing guys.
Maybe make more effort to help him comprehend his situation instead of just flaming off the handle.

The BB's cannot impede the function of the gearbox, they simply get popped into place in the hop chamber, then a burst of air from the mechbox shoots them out.
Where the .12s become a problem is they get jammed down the barrel, slowing down the forward movement of the piston. But that will not slow down the gears.
At worst, the gears will engage the piston too early and strip teeth off.

Furthermore, if a gear was in fact "misaligned" most likely the shaft on it is broken. If the mechbox is metal, it's not physically possible for a gear to simply pop out of place, it would have had to move sideways over 3mm in order to come out of the bushing.

pusangani March 26th, 2014 20:53

Quote:

Originally Posted by endability (Post 1878886)
Before i leave i would just like to say that the game i went to is 17 and older.

Don't go, ASC has been boring of late, you're providing some well needed jollies to the rest of us :D

Rusty Lugnuts March 26th, 2014 21:06

Quote:

Originally Posted by endability (Post 1878884)
the gun shoots just under the fps limit. im not denying that its a piece of shit, i know it is,

Real airsoft games have FPS limits USING a .20 gram BB. A typical gameface shots 325 FPS with a .12 BB which translates to about 252 FPS with a 20 gram BB. I don't know of any games where that would be just under the limit.

redneck12 March 26th, 2014 21:19

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rusty Lugnuts (Post 1878912)
Real airsoft games have FPS limits USING a .20 gram BB. A typical gameface shots 325 FPS with a .12 BB which translates to about 252 FPS with a 20 gram BB. I don't know of any games where that would be just under the limit.

It was probably an illegal game in the woods or an abandoned building high school brats being dumbasses.

endability March 26th, 2014 21:23

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Rusty Lugnuts (Post 1878912)
Real airsoft games have FPS limits USING a .20 gram BB. A typical gameface shots 325 FPS with a .12 BB which translates to about 252 FPS with a 20 gram BB. I don't know of any games where that would be just under the limit.

http://www.airtacdepot.com/Game-Face...B002B7TOZW.htm

nuff

lurkingknight March 26th, 2014 21:24

look out guys, they shoot 100 feet now.

Rusty Lugnuts March 26th, 2014 21:35

I'd be more scared of the fork

lurkingknight March 26th, 2014 21:36

so I was easily correct about the 2-3x the range portion. What of my other assumptions and judgments, I wonder?

pusangani March 26th, 2014 21:37

Quote:

Originally Posted by endability (Post 1878918)

I'm going to throw away all my guns and go buy this totally awesome gun now, and if it breaks I have a titanium spork to repair it with, thanks for showing us the light!

K3vX March 26th, 2014 22:04

I was going to redeem the guy and say it could make an excellent sleeper ...

But 239.99$ at CT? Hell no.

lurkingknight March 26th, 2014 22:06

king arms m4 territory right there... jebus.

actually 10 guns probably off the top of my head that price or cheaper.


but judging by his 'self righteous, own the world' teenager attitude, CT and 240$ is about what mommy/daddy budget allowed for.

redneck12 March 26th, 2014 22:15

Wait till he's back on here begging for help after he trips on his own feet and busts the gun into 100 pieces, needs it back together before mommy catches him and takes away his allowance and grounds him from the play ground wars.


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