20 mW Green lasers for ~$70 CAD
 

Came across Conscript's thread in the classifieds (Selling em for $90 shipped) and did a bit of searching on the web. This site sells them for $58.57 US (A bit more than than $60 CAD after exchange rates) with FREE shipping (Even to Canada). Needless to say I've bought one and a friend has as well.

As far as border fees, I incurred a fee of approximately $10 (I'm assuming added GST / PST) though my friend didn't have any extra duties.

In terms of quality, the laser is quite visible but the aiming rings are not functional (or at least I could not turn them with my hands).

Link here: http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.5027


*edit* I'll add some pictures of it mounted on my M4 when I get my camera back.
-VM

20mW? That's well into the eye-damaging range, isn't it?

A couple weeks back at a night game, I got lasered in the eye across almost the entire length of FR (DL-Kuwait). I don't know what the output was, but it really hurt and scared the crap out of me. I think we need some sort of field limit in Ontario for lasers.

Hmm. This doesn't add up. Wikipedia says Class IIIa lasers are 1-5 mW, not 20. But the site (right on the laser) claims 20 mW.

People really shouldn't be bringing lasers to games anyways. They're more of a cosmetic detail that some enjoy having. Aside from being dangerous to the eye, a person could just follow the green laser back to your gun and shoot you.

For the most part, its just something fun to play with, even when its not mounted on your gun.
-VM

Are you saying that there is no way of adjusting windage and elevation?

Who in the world said that? Of course you can.

+1!

The look cool factor doesn't equal the liability they create.

Good for you and the 2 point infraction I gave for your snarky post in the other thread. I removed it but you know exactly what I'm talking about.

Smarten up.

Nice going there, boycotting and trying to undermine another member?

See, theres a difference in my lasers and these "Dealextreme" ones (though they are the same pictures), my lasers are in country and ready to go, and they probably don't take like 4 weeks to come, or get charged with customs...

I buy my lasers for $70 US each in my case, and if you think Dealextreme or ebay or any other sites out of Canada are cheaper, go with your gut and order, but I am keeping my price firm.

If I was trying to be an asshole, I could just do what you're doing. I could purchase a bunch off this site and retail them with a $20 mark-up (and a nice $200 profit for every "10 person pre-order). Then you'd have a little competition too.

I received my laser from DX 12 days after ordering which isn't too bad at all. I order hundreds of dollars worth of stuff from the US yearly and CBSA has never imposed a mark-up more than the GST or PST for products less than $100 (Most of the time there is not even any border fees).


Where do you get off on me trying to boycott and undermine you? Finding a cheaper alternative and sharing it with the ASC community?

By the way, if thats the LXGD JG-10A you're selling, it does not come with an IR filter (You claim yours does). The guys at DX confirmed for me that these china-lasers lack IR filters. You shouldn't even be looking at a 20 mW beam without eye protection.
-VM

Hey theres a website which gives some decent info on these higher output green lasers, shows you can take apart an old webcam and use its IR filter to filter out some 80 percent of the outputting IR

http://www.felesmagus.com/pages/lasers-cheap.html

I still wouldn't look into them though.

FWIW, the Manitoba Airsoft Association has banned any laser that is, or is suspected to be, over 5 mW. We have a local laser expert that has a power meter which can determine the true power of these items, and some of these 20 mW lasers are actually closer to 65 mW. Extremely dangerous. I try not to look at the specular reflection of a green laser, never mind into it!

Great link, I learned quite a bit from it.

I would suspect it would be a good idea to simply prohibit lasers in general. A person could have a laser without an IR filter on his gun and nobody would be the wiser.
-VM

But that's going down that slippery slope that a lot of people don't like. There are many lasers out there that are safe and effective; don't forget we have a very prominent indoor facility here and lasers are not uncommon to use in CQB. Certainly anything American made such as an Insight M6X I would put complete faith in, it's these overpowered cheap Asian lasers bring imported and sold with wrong data markings and dangerous output that are the issue.

Just as in gun control, punishing an entire group because of the actions of one is a poor way of doing things, and especially so if you have the means to correct the offenders. Our laser guy not only can measure laser output, but knows how to tune lasers down using their internal varistors (which most of them have) so their output is at a safe level.

Ohh, where can I get one of these laser guys?

i've ordered from Deal Extreme before and they are very reputable. plus they have great products and awesome prices.

thats good to hear, do customs just tax everything or were there other misc. charges? I've bought from the US but never actually had the retailer send through to Canada, always through a relative, so I haven't a clue what customs usually charge.

orders under $60 will not be charged of any taxes if you request the retailer to mark the package as a gift. if your package is over $60 they'll charge custom fees, but the amount is acceptable. I just ordered a 30mw Laser from them.

Anything over 5mw can damage your eyes...

Soon with all these lasers we'll require a bit more than ANSI rated goggles..

Sightly late but I happened upon this video and it reminded me of this thread

YouTube - 35mW laser


Now think of those laser Gryphon mentioned were closer to 65mW... and your eyes.

Mmmmm, warm and toasty.

Aren't lasers prohibited in games? They were never allowed in Airsoft games in NY. Illegal + Dangerous.

well i havent done it, but i heard its pretty easy to mod a 5mw laser to like pretty high, i dont remember how. you take off the rubber switch and turn something with a screw driver. there is a chance of blowing up the diode or whatever is inside of a laser

They are on some fields and by some groups, but not all it seems.

There's a few threads about it, regarding games in Canada, and notably those Chinese lasers. (I was looking for some gears on ebay and happened across a 35mW laser, being sold for airsoft... was curious how it looked in use, and came across that vid on youtube)

Anyway, fortunately most fields don't allow them here (Quebec). Personally I wouldn't want to take any chance, even for 5mW or under. That's like saying "yeah I'll play with shop glasses instead of goggles; it'll probably stop the BB." Why risk it?

now dont quote me on this. but i read somewhere that with lasers, their output consists of two things. (sorry, i cant remember what exactly). however, some manufactureers include both in their power output, when in reality, you're not supposed to. it gives the impression of the laser being more powerful than it is. im sorry i am so vague, but i did read this somewhere.

For the record, I got shot by a green laser in the left eye in 2004 in an indoor game. Tanks to that player, I now have a dead spot in my vision. Very anoying.

I used a red, 5mw laser before. But for the sake of showing example, I don't use it anymore. Lasers are fun and usefull, but dangerous. I think I'm the living example of that unfortunatly.

Holey moley! Yeah, I remember who that was, I wonder what the output of his laser was.

For the record, I did test my own green laser (30 sec to the eye, continuous) prior to an opromoligical exam. No change.

But I metered the laser before using it, it was well below 5mW.

I might purchase one for my new M4, but the battery will come out before hitting the field...

*Note from the laser tech - if you do buy one of these high power lasers and hope to have it adjusted. It cannot be done on all models. Some do not have the adjustment resistor. Others start mode hopping when brought down to safe levels - this causes the beam to go all over the place. When in doubt - buy a sub 5mw laser from a trusted source.

I personally use a 3mw 532nm (green) laser on my p90. This puts it in the class 3R rank according to the new laser classes that have been revised if i read correctly. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laser_safety) I also have it on a thumb trigger so it is not always on and try to keep it aimed as center mass only. Also this is primarily used in our indoor venue so the chance of some one being injured due to viewing it with optics is reduced as magnifying optics are pointless at these ranges.

so, did anyone actually get one of these lasers? I mean recieve one they paid for... cause I sure didnt.

I think the sales thread is still around. As I recall, a few people got 'em and a few of those reported it was a PoS, either defective on arrival or breaking within a relatively short period.



Just had to quote that.

Some of you are underestimating the usefulness of a laser, granted it can be a liability indoors and out if not used properly, but it can also be used as a purposeful distraction. I myself am looking into getting a 3mw IR laser for night games so I can coordinate with others who have night vision and designate targets. As it's under 5mw it's not damaging to people eyes, and I certainly won't have in on constantly or be shining it in people's eyes on purpose.
A regular red laser can have the same effectiveness at night not only for people with night vision but people without as well. I myself was using it to aim with my night vision during a night game against well seasoned airsoft veterans, even after I had been hit they still had no idea who was using the laser. It's all a matter of how you use it.
As long as people know the effects of a high powered laser on someones eyes, we have to trust they wont use anything above 5mw in a game, and what difference does it make in airsoft having a 3mw laser?

Yeah the problem is people ARE using higher power lasers (well over 5mW) and here alone (Montreal) there have been, I believe, two incidents (that I know of) already where people have suffered what appears to be permanent effects from having been hit by a laser (purportedly, one incident the guy was intentionally shining peoples' faces).

Point in case, they've been banned at pretty much all games.

No doubt it could be useful. An AEG shooting 500 could get some extra range, too, and that'd be useful as long as people respect minimum engagement ranges. But it's just a matter of time before an idiot comes along and does something boneheaded. For lasers, it didn't take long at all.

Yeah i was thinking of picking up something along the same lines, Did you get a peq2 or like a regular flashlight style one? Would any generation Night vision work with it?

Wanna distract people? Shine a normal light.

This is a game, no point in lasers, knives and other dangerous items. Sure it's all fun, until someone gets seriously injured...

This comment isn't directed at anyone in particular but they are words of advise.

The training knives, the black ones, are great for getting up close with.

Now as for lasers, guess Im pretty screwed for using it in a game LOL.

http://i109.photobucket.com/albums/n...M/IMG_0113.jpg

Hell of I know what the mW rating on this thing is. Gotta contact Laser Devices Inc. an get that info.

i can't remember exactly how it goes, but manufactures also include the residual energy or something like that in their laser power output to make it seem as if they were stronger, when in fact they are not. im sorry i don't have exact info, but its what i remember reading.

+1

Just put a flashlight on your weapon. You can get point-aimed Surefire flashlights that are bright as hell - ones you can almost use to aim your weapon!

www.surefire.com

The red laser I have came with my night vision kit, 5mw unfortunately, but it's just a small laser with a pressure switch, 2 inches long at the most.
Any night vision and naked eye is going to see a regular 650nm red laser. IR lasers I believe are 700nm wavelength and above, typically coming in 850nm (above what the human eye can see), and are detectable by night vision of any kind, from 1960's starlight to gen4 night vision.
The downside is that if anyone shines a laser into your night vision it burns holes in your tube instantly.

I thought I heard somewhere that newer generation NV's have protection against that sort of thing?

Newer generation yes, they close the shutter infront of the tube before the light gets to the tube, but I haven't seen this technology on any Gen1 systems which are the most common in airsoft.
Gen1+ and 2+ will turn off when exposed to bright light, like the sun, or a powerful flashlight, but not something as concentrated as a laser, I believe the same goes for advanced shutters. The main purpose of that shutter is to protect your NVD from major light sources that risk burning out the whole tube very quickly, and although highly concentrated, a laser doesn't appear much brighter than an LED flashlight.