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Hey guys, for those of you who own or have owned 1911 GBBs, which 1911 (brand/model) is the best in terms of compatibility of parts from other brands, reliability and robustness?

WE 1911's = faulty spring cap and barrel bushing. Mine lasted about 10 mags, have seen them go sooner.

TM 1911A1 is the best GBB Ive ever handled. Parts are plentyful to upgrade to your hearts content, also come ready for propane. Loved it so much I sold all my pistols and bought a pair of them. They shoot straight, kick pretty hard and I know players that have been using them for 2-3 seasons with no issues so far.. I intend to have mine even longer. They're more expensive than the other 1911s I've seen.. but it's worth it for the reliability.

About how much would a TM 1911 cost in Canada in the classifieds? (sorry if I've broken any forum rules, mod please delete this post if I have done so) I'm working on AV.

Ahh they average between $300-400.

ooo i'll keep that in mind. thanks for the info

If you're getting a 1911, then you have to go TM or WA. Both are extremely reliable guns with lots of aftermarket parts (like metal slides) available. They're expensive, but they will last.

As Roughneck said, WE 1911s suck ass beyond belief and not fully (if at all - not sure there) TM compatible. Just do a search in the Doctor's Corner for WE 1911 and you'll see many, many reports of broken guns, and no replacement parts are available. They're cheap and full metal, but you really get what you pay for. Many won't see 100 rounds before being totally dead.

My WE1911 lasted for an entire season of hard work, through the summer and into indoor winter games. Not saying there aren't lemons, but when you get one that works, it works pretty well.

How much are you willing to spend? Are you willing to settle for a plastic gun now and metal upgrades later, or are you looking to start metal?

This is on the edge of being a Newbie Tank thread. ;)

I'm willing to spend about $400, and I'm looking to get a silver/chrome aftermarket slide. Sorry if it's turning to n00b. mods can move this thread.

Not all WE guns are bad. When you get a good gun, they work quite well. But the lemon rate can be quite high.

I have a WE Luger that's awesome.. I've put several hundred rounds through it plinking and it's shot reliably and accurately. The only issue I've encountered was the mag started leaking after the 12th or so gas fill. It's not really an issue since it's just a collection gun that I occasionally plink with, and the leak is slow enough that I have plenty of time to shoot off a full mag of BBs before it starts affecting performance. I don't game this gun. It's just for collection and plinking, so the mag thing isn't really an issue, and extra mags are fairly cheap and easy to get.

I've gamed my WE Hi Capa 5.1 once and put hundreds of rounds through it plinking and it's awesome and shoots great. Other than a loose right side thumb safety (a common problem with those guns) it's great. And since it's 100% TM compatible, I can get just about any replacement or upgrade part I want for it cheaply and fairly easy.

The 1911s are really nice looking, full metal guns. Many will work fine. But they seem to be more problematic than other WE models. When they do break, it's often just a small, stupid part. The problem with the WE 1911 line is their incompatibility with most TM after-market parts (at least for the most part) and no availability of spare WE parts. Sometimes just a small, minor part breaking can leave an almost new 1911 dead because there are no replacement parts.

If they were 100% TM compatible, I'd probably have a much different opinion of them, because for the price of a plastic TM, you could have a nicely upgraded all metal 1911 that would outperform a stock TM 1911. But because of that, I would never buy one myself and could never recommend them.

Ive used both TM and WE 1911s, my TM never worked good, never got a full mag of bbs out of it without filling the mag many many times. (5+ to clear a mag) when it shot it went like 5ft. ended up with two different WE's, the standard, and a tactical, the standard has a problem with the recoil spring, but the tactical has run perfect, good range, good power, no problem getting a mag or two through without filling with gas depending on weather.

Happened to me. You must order the WE OEM one from Evike. Pain in the ass. But damn, when I shoot this gun I feel the butterflies in my pants.

At room temp with my TM 1911, I can get two mags of bb's on one charge of gas using single shots, 2-3 seconds apart. I can get one mag of bb's when I do double taps 1-2 seconds apart and when I just hammer the trigger as fast as I can, I have one bb left in the mag when the gas runs out. That's reasonable enough for a single stack mag in my opinion. Then again, I have 6 mags :D

If a chrome slide is where you're going with your 1911, TM or WA are definitely the way to go. Currently all the really good quality chrome slides are aftermarket ones for TM or WA.

You can buy 1911s that come fully metal, strip and buff the slides, but it won't be as nice.

That depends on whether you want the original Colt M1911A1 Government or if you want the MEU

I do not mind either, though I really freakin love the look of your Infinity 1911. It looks so damn bad ass.

Go TM or go home.

While on the topic, how are KJW 1911/Para's?

The all silver/grey one?
It's actually a 2011

I love my TM 1911 to death. So much that I even gave it to illusion to pimp out. I cant wait till I get it back, it will be a real workhorse.

oh, i meant your tm 5.1

sigh, my old 1911 :( i take it she treats you well?

I can't wait till I get the shipment back from customs so that I can pimp it out, drool over it and play a couple of games with it before sending it back to you.

what kit are you hitting this one up with brian?

No metal kit... just metal slide, minor exterior treatment and internal modifications.

TM'1911: accurate,cheap,reliable!

No offence to the 1911 and "hi-cappa" fans here, but if you want something reliable that lends itself well to actual gameplay/combat, get a Glock.

Since the only full metal option out of the box seems to be WE or KJW and there have been alot of complaints about the WE, does anyone have anything to say about the KJW?

Kuro_Neko

KJW tend to be much higher quality than WE. However, their mags in general seem quite high-maintenance. I have the KJW M9. The gun itself is fantastic. Shoots hard and straight. It's easily seen 5000 rounds and still shoots are well as the day I got it. Other than a worn mag catch, I haven't has an issue with it. However, the mags are constantly springing leaks, not from the valves, but from their main seal. This tends to be a chronic problem with most KJW guns. Not sure about their 1911 in particular though, but no reason to think it would be otherwise, as the mags are an issue with all their other guns.

Not just WE and KJW, CA and KSC/KWA also make full metal 1911s.

I have the KJW M9 as well. And I agree with everything you've said about that one. Any idea where to get a replacement mag catch? I've read somewhere that the Guarder steel mag catch for the TM will fit the KJW. Unfortunately I can't find anyone locally selling them and $35 shipping from Asia for a $9 part is alittle ridiculous. I'd do it anyway if I had confirmation it fit, but not on a chance.

Back on topic: CA does full metal m1911's? I have a CA M15A4 and I love it to pieces. How's their 1911? Anyone own one?

Kuro_Neko

The Saint may have meant WA, although I cant speak for him. Who knows maybe he knows something super sexy magical cool that we dont. Although its possible probly meant something else.

I've been looking for a decent single stack full metal 1911 or 1911a1 (the a1 preferably) but it's kinda hard to find anything about most of them. I've got an M9 right now and I find my hands are too small to fit the gun that well. Most of what you hear about in the 1911 area is either the Hicappa's (which I'm not really interested in) or WE problems, or WA and TM praises (but neither is full metal out of the box).

Can anyone speak for the KJW, CA, KSC or KWA models? What's the best single stack full metal 1911 for skirmishing? Ie doesn't have to look the prettiest, just work well, stand up to punishment and last a long time.

Kuro_Neko

The Guarder mag catch will fit with minor modification. I believe jesster202 got one and modded it to fit, so you may be able to get more details from him. I'll be doing that as well. For now, I just reversed the mag catch to a left hand config. It's not ideal since I'm right-handed, but works as a temporary measure.

As for the CA gun, I haven't heard anything about the 1911 since it's so new. As much as I also love my CA M15, they're new to the GBB game, so I'd wait a while to see if there are any kinks or durability / reliability issues with them before jumping on one.

Oh wait, CA did make some GBB didnt they or planned to or something I dont know, to lazy to research? Ugh I withdraw my previous statement and with that Im going back to bed because my brain is officially dry roasted with a honey glaze.

I've also flipped mine to the lefty configuration, which you'd think would work out since I'm left handed. But my hands are too small for my thumb to reach the mag release without seriously repositioning my hand. When it was in righty config I'd push the catch with the base of the middle finger on my left hand and that worked fine.

Yeah, I just did some searches for reviews on the CA model - alot of problems. I might go with the KJW. I haven't had any trouble with my M9 other then the mag catch and the expected mag problems. But the mag problems are easily fixed and if you take care of them they don't generally occur that often. One of the biggest problems I've found with KJW was finding spare mags. I've finally got four good and one semi-good mags for my M9. I was really only looking for more mags for CQB though and I've got a TM mp5k coming in the mail (four days late, damn Canada Post) so one or two mags for a 1911 should do me.

I'd still like to hear from someone who owns, or has owned, one though. And anything about any other full metal models would be appreciated too.

Kuro_Neko

Yup.

I have a KJW 1911 (actually P14.45), and damn, it is one very nice gun, but out of 7 magazines I think I have one that doesn't leak. The other issue is that the KJW 1911 is a combination of the TM and Western Arms one and as such has some proprietary parts that are impossible to find. I'm still looking for a bloody slide lock pin.

Buy are the slide and frame tm?

what about kwa 1911 ptp's?

This thread is over three years old. He's already got a 1911 by now.