Well L96 worth it? Or VSR-10
 

I am looking for a decent bolt action rifle, and i came across the well l96 on buyairsoft.ca. I was wondering if it was worth the 100$ more compared to the vsr-10, mauri clone. Just straight up which one you think is better. I am not planning on sinking 1000$ into either, i'm just going to use them stock. No competition, just skirmish's with my friends in the woods etc.

And please, before you tell me to get my age verified, well i can't as i am 17 and am planning on getting into airsoft once i hit 18.
Also, i have read enough posts to know that you will all tell me to get an AEG as my first gun. i have tried sniping and and AEG, and i find sniping more satisfying than using an AEG. If your wondering how i have tried it, i have a friend who has the tf 16 and the swiss arms black eagle m6 s. I know, not competition grade.

If you all could just give me your opinion on which is better VSR-10, or L96, no upgrades, it would be much appreciated.

Thanks A lot

P.S. a little advice on the tf11 from airgunsource.com as a secondary weapon would also be appreciated, for those situations when i'm out gunned by the AEGs. Thanks again

honestly? neither, if your 17 now, wait a few months till your 18 so you can buy something real. Both of those guns are a waste of your money IMO

also, buyairsft.ca quotes both of them as shooting 475ish FPS.

Not only will this not be alowed for field use, its borderline dangerous... No one needs that much FPS, its just gonna wreck your already cheap gun faster

dunno bout the snipers but i did used to have a TF11
Its a great gun but only for very short distances like 20-30 feet, because it has no hopup, you could probably make your own makeshift hopup if you had the energy though or found another barrel that fits and can fit a hopup rubber on it, either way, great kick, great sound, great rate of fire

ok, thanks about the tf 11, i doubt ill make hopup. what about gas usage, is it decent. i know on auto it sucks, but semi? and does anyone know a dealer that sells better guns than the afore mentioned, as they seem to be waste of my money

I'm with Guy on this. Wait and get age verified. A few months really isn't that long. Plus 475 FPS in a backyard battle is probably going to be (very) dangerous.

Sure, there are lots of retailers for just about any gun you want. But most of them are on this sites classfieds, and to access them, you must be age verrified :D

Well I agree with the other guys.. get age verified and don't buy those guns. But I have seen the L96 in action. My friend has been using it for 2-3 years now and its worked just fine. I've been hit in the top of the head from over 200 feet on numerous occasions. I don't mind it but I wouldn't wanna buy it just for the reason that its cheap plastic and it really does fire way to fast.
And I have no idea about the VSR-10.

no guns for kids

i was planning on using .25 to .3 gram bbs. i don't want to hurt anybody... i think that reduces the fps to about 425-450...

What about the energy stored in it?

So you're saying if I threw a whiffle ball at you at 400 FPS it would hurt more than if I threw a regulation baseball at you at 100 FPS?

400 FPS is the general maximum's across Canada and that's on .20's nothing else. After you do your initial chrono with .20's you can use anything else you want. Alternatively some places will let you chrono with .25's or .3's and you must have velocities below ~360 and 330 respectively (below 1.49 Joules).

You need to take some physics. Honestly.

first of all, you example doesn't make sense, a wiffle ball looses all of its energy extremely fast, and the faster you throw it, the faster its energy is dissipated because of air, because air, like water, resists more, the more you push.
For example, getting a car going 90kph takes less energy than getting it to go from 90 to 120, because the faster you go, the resistance of the air goes up exponentially.

a wiffle ball has little mass, thus little inertia when moving, so it can't keep its speed, or energy for very long. so no, i am not saying that. .. even though the energy contained within the two bbs is the same, the .2g bb would loose all of that energy very quickly, and just float with no accuracy, while the .25 or .3 would slowly loose its energy over a longer distance. since the l96 is a sniper rifle, i am not planing on shooting from very close, so a heavier bb would get to the target, and in the process, lose enough energy to make it less dangerous than shooting a lighter bb faster and closer
no need to get snippy

I was just hammering the point in I know it's an extreme example.

Pay close attention to the MED's (Minimum Engagement Distance). It's not fun to get shot at very close with an upgraded sniper rifle. In fact I've been told it's akin to having a rock thrown at you.

Also fact is I don't think they're shooting that high in the first place anyways (probably 425 max). A quick $12 spring change will fix that however.

the tf 11 is great max range is about 70 ft. the problem with it is that my mag leaks and feeds poorly now but i think silicone oil will fix all that.

Let make an example about physic but in simpler therm that everybody will understand.
We got two cars, one SUV and one standart Sedan. I drive my sedan at 50kph in a wall and destroy that wall. Then I do it at 30 kph with the SUV and attain the same result. Why, because of the weight of the vehicle. While the SUV is slower, its still does as much damage. This is due to the two factors that influence kinetic energy which are speed and weight. In airsoft, shooting any kind of ammo with one gun will produce the same amount of energy since the spring transfert energy to the BB and not speed.

which is heavier a ton of bricks or a ton of pillows?

in other words save ur money and buy ur KIT first. once AV's go buy your dream gun

...its not quite that bad. I was shot from fifteen feet away in the forehead one time. Wasn't happy about it but it didn't hurt too terribly much... although I'd never recommend going beyond the MED even if isn't that bad. Its still really dangerous.

Get AV! Really just save the cash u get for the next little while and buy a TM or somthing of quality not the $100 cheap clones ones. There is a reason they are cheap, not inexpensive but cheap. If $100 is to much for you then you may be waiting longer to buy a gun then just 18 and continuing to buy things will be a hassle. Im not meaning to be rude but if you have read all the topics then you know what every one will say till your 18 and get AV. I bought a gun when I was younger and regretted it because it was a cheap little clone and had tonnes of issues with it. Have patience,you'll need it if you plan to being a sniper.

F = ma

enough said.

It's not the FPS that hurts, it's the energy in the bbs that hurt.

In a lot of countries, the safety limit is 1 joule of energy. 475 FPS with 0.20g bbs is 2.09 joules of energy. It doesn't matter if you switch to 0.30g bbs. That would equal 387.17 FPS at the same 2.09 joules of energy that the bb launches with.

a ton is a ton , so they are the same wieght smart guy

Just to add comment, I have heard of guys having nothing but troubles with clone rifles, get the TM VSR, I have been running that stock, (to learn how to use it while it sucks so that when its good, I will know how to use it properly) Save your money and get the TM even stock the range and accuracy are spectacular. (and you wont kill your friends, dead ppl cant airsoft.)

I have a TSD L96 never had a single problem, takes all the upgrades for the Maruzen. Since you are gonna swap out all the Maruzen parts anyway you'll end up with the same gun, except the Maruzen is twice as much.

if you want a sniper the Bar is the best clone. everything else need lots of work

they are both the same because both are "ton"

yup + all the ''cinetique'' equations.... NEWTON would be proud of you.... XD

physics....

- heavier the projectile is, more kinetic energy it has.... but a slower velocity,
- lighter projectile: will have a higher velocity, but less kinetic energy ...

Everyone who says that all kids can't have airsoft guns are retarded. I have my firearms license and I'm 14! I shoot .22s, my mosin, a sig, I even bought my own shotgun! I think there are definatly some kids who shouldn't have guns but that is up to their parents whether to get them or not. I am more mature than most of the people in my airsoft group. Also, I think once you get to be 18+, thats a little old for airsoft and you should grow up. All I'm saying is, most kids over 13 are mature enough to be safe with airsoft guns, and if they aren't, let their parents decide. If a parent lets a kid get a gbbr and he starts shooting and running around brandishing it, is his fault he gets arrested. I asked about a good plate carrier and no one gave me an answer worth shit just because I'm 14. I'm probably a better airsofter than any of you!! Age verification is bullshit, and if some kid wants advice on a sniper to play with his friends with, give him some damn advice. Hell, he will get a sniper anyway so at least give him some advice NOT to get one that shoots 500 fps. It will turn out better for him and will be safer. Seriously, you guys are a special kind of people...

Adding to that, I don't want to have to get some old, dumbass guy in his thirties to age verify me just to ask a question about a barrel or battery for my krytac. We all share a love of airsoft and you guys need to be more open to younger kids playing or the sport of airsoft will die. It is becoming a sport that kids play with their friends, not where adults play with strangers.

This is an old post (check the year next time).

Plus check your attitude boss at the door. The age verification system is part of this private community policy and frankly works for reasons that I don't want to type out now but easily searchable especially that you dug up this old thread.

Younger kids are playing more and more, I sell guns to them with their parents present and stress to them the importance of proper handling and safety around them. I'm sorry but most people your age are NOT mature enough to be trusted on their own to handle airsoft guns, period.

Your comments that we should stop playing at 18+, better airsofter, blah, blah, blah are pure troll bait and demonstrate more about your maturity level then anything else you posted.

As mentioned numerous times in the past if you don't like age verification your free to leave and use something else, no one is forcing you to be here.

Triggered.

reading your entire post, not only do I not think your mature enough to play, I think your entire attitude is what is killing the sport. Being a good at airsoft has nothing to do with age and everything to do with attitude and quite frankly yours is your age, childish.

True the policey and treatment of this site of young underage players wasn't the most mature in the past but has gotten allot better and tolerant. It is an attitude like your own that led to that original treatment.

[QUOTE=Legoman2179;1971316 Also, I think once you get to be 18+, thats a little old for airsoft and you should grow up. [/QUOTE]

What once we hit 18+ we can't be active, have a hobby, spend the money we work for the way we want? You realize the sport only grows and expands cause adults spend money on it. The only sense of protection this sport has from being banned is the adults. So what adults shouldn't play video games, or hockey. Yea, lets stop doing things just cause we become old enough to be held accountable, sign waivers or vote.

Realize this, adults, make the world go round. Adults and the 30 somethings you complain about made this sport, run the events, fields and shops. This sport, any sport would not be anywhere without adults.

These are the kind of entitled little pricks that drive me absolutely batshit crazy.

Bingo. Enjoy playing airsoft in the backyard. There are reasons games are hosted at large facilities. Adults with contacts within the correct groups.

18? You ain't got shit.

I wouldn't even know about this sport if it wasn't for the thirty and forty-year-old dumbasses who introduced me to it. I'm thankful for the road the "older" guys have paved to what we have today. Sure its not a perfect system, with funny import laws and tight firearms regulations, but thanks to them the sport has grown and made it accessible. Be thankful you don't live in Australia. I'm amazed at how ungrateful some people can be.

Have you honestly ever been to an actual field? There is a real diversity; youth your age with their parents or friends, tons of guys in their 20s all the way up to their 40s or older. If you show up to a field or event with this attitude I guarantee you won't last long. Sure, we're all strangers, but we all share a common interest. Even your best friends were strangers at one point...

How do people even necro a post this far back, Do they search for the thread? do they scroll the thread posts? How?

This is so dumb! everyone knows bricks weigh more, Duh... ;)

Dude re reading some of that stuff I posted years ago made me cringe. Needless to say underage kids play quite frequently now and has changed the dynamic of some fields. There's lots of young kids I play with that are more respectful than some of the adults and its all maturity and all that jazz.