G3 SG1 as LMG ?
 

Hi guys,

I have a TM G3 SG1. I just found that some drums are sold for it (Hero Arms) They are quite cheap , around 80-90$ shiped but i heard A&K makes better drums. Anyways, im wondering if the G3 with a drum can be considered as LMG?

I already have a RAS handle guard with a metal bipod (removed the stock plastic bipod). I played vegas 2 and there is indeed a similar gun called the HK21 (based g3 but being a machine gun)

Can i be a support with this gun with a drum?? To be a LMG , it needs a bipod obviously, long barrel , drum and what else? Thank you.

i thought the G3 came stock with a bipod?

the one i bought did not =( .... the stock bipod cost 60-70$ shipped ... So i decided to get both RAS handguard and a standard bipod instead lol. So i'm guessing i can use it as LMG?

correct me if i'm wrong but the G3 uses a V1 gearbox so i don't think it will be a trigger happy gun. it's more of a support weapon. If you really like LMGs though, by all means. do it as you wish =)

generally, the fact a gun has a carry handle, bipod or other accessories, does not make it a LMG. The real G3-SG1 is not considered an LMG. The HK 21, though based on the G3 platform, is considered a LMG.

The major fuction that defines an LMG from a regular rifle is the ability to maintain sustained fire. This is usually noted by heavy barrels with quick change ability and large heatsinks or other methods of heat transfer.

IMO, in order for a gun to fall under LMG rules, it must replicate an existing real steel LMG, thus the g3sg1 is not an LMG.

PS: the g3 uses v3 gearbox. its fine for long full auto use. the only v1 gearbox is the FAMAS, which is a workhorse and great on full auto. Ive owned both the g3sg1 and the FAMAS, and i prefer the latter.

the G3 uses a v2

The only gun that uses a V1 is the FAMAS

so in summary , no support LMG for me? =(

interesting. so are V2 crap too? i remember my cousin warning me about V2 since they're pretty old gearboxes

Not necessarily. The V2 is the most commonly used mechbox. It is used by all M4/M16 (Armalite) variants and almost all MP5.


Well, that depends entirely on how autentic you want to be. If you are aiming for realism and authenticity as your main goal, then maybe not. But if you just want a skirmish gun that you like, and you find fun, then go for it.

Believe me, my G&P M249 uses a V2 mechbox and its a fucking TANK
The G3 and HK21 are too different to allow for any easy visual comparison mods (for example you want to make an MG36, just throw a bipod, C-mag and stock on there and your done).
So if your me, you go and find an LMG that your G3 looks like, like the HK11E!
It's effectively an HK21 that uses the 20 round magazines. So that's one major issue down. Next problem is having to make an HK21 front end... like this one found on my old G3SG1:
http://photos-g-9.ak.fbcdn.net/photo...46926_2529.jpg

Hadn't gotten around to making the bipod, barrel lug or front sight yet. Either way it was just a prototype and turned out to be really heavy considering the whole front end is supported by 2 pot metal gussets. It weighed in at about 13lbs or so....
It was built in college without any CNC equipment so I blame my inexperience at the time and the lack of proper tooling lol

i smell an interest on a group buy for custom G3 front ends =) gun's looking real sexy!

I guess you could slap on a drum mag on it and call it an LMG however some games will ban it since others have actually taken the time to do a conversion and it's not really fair to them if you can just slap on a drum mag and call your gun an LMG.

+1 to L473ncy...

Just because I've got a G3SG1 with Cmag doesn't mean it's an LMG. The 249 on the other hand is. Because that's it's designed purpose. I've also got a box mag for my 416. Never used it, but I've still got it. It doesn't make it an LMG either.

AKs could fall into the same category....

not sure what your gaming style is but i shoot to kill. =) technically 1 midcap is enough for the whole day if ur a tactical player

If you're only using 1 midcap you're absolutely useless to your team..

ahaha i actually heard that from a really experienced player locally. he has a P90 and NO he's actually GOD like

Does he ever provide covering or supporting fire for anyone else?

probably not. he's just a ninja. running around in suspenders and his P90 lol.

lol, then he's not a team player! I don't care for players like that.

better than you folks using hi caps

ahaha too bad for us. all the "teams" here are pretty much fixed. so all the good buddies go on 1 team and the other's just full of lone wolf ninjas. it's not too bad once you get used to it =)

You don't even know me. Don't speak out your ass.

I don't use Hicaps, but thanks.

But, I don't go out there with 100BBs and only be out there playing for myself. That's no fun, and nobody likes that guy.

Ak can't fall in the same category because the barrel is too short ;) also the aks has an alternative in airsoft: RPK
I don't want to buy an m249 cause I find it ugly that's why I was looking for an alternative

I'm not talking about the length of the barrel. That comparison didn't originally come into the discussion.. You were originally talking about just slapping a box mag in a rifle and calling it an LMG.

If you want to get into semantics about it, every rifle has an airsoft version as an LMG. It all depends on how much effort you want to put into creating the rifle.


As for playing styles, the name of the game is adaptability. Being able to go from lone wolf status to team player is what you should be looking for.

Lone wolfs are only effective if they work wit the team.... therefore making them team players. Only time I've ever had any positive outcomes from lone wolfing it was when i flank the enemy and take them out with my quite as death 416 while my team keeps them occupied.

Now The ONLY simple rifle to LMG conversion is turning a G36 into an MG36, second place goes to AK-> RPK. Aside from that, though a G3 based support weapon would be killer unique if done right, it would be a massive headache to source the proper parts for the mod and probably cost a fair bit.

Source nothing, everything forward of the magazine was 100% home made lol
But yeah it's a HUGE pain in the ass. Mind you it would be SOOOOOOO much easier now that I have access to a CNC with a rotary table and a CNC lathe! :)
I think there's 2 other guys in Canada with custom HK21 mods that look alright, as I recall they both used the G3 RAS handguards, you'd have to do some digging to find the pics

i can't find anything on G3 SG1 being a LMG .... I was thinking about getting a Cmag drum box, disassemble it, DIY the Hk21 drum box , attached to a ammo belt clip and to the gun .... ect... you get the idea. I will try to put more work into it.

It wouldn't be under G3 SG1 or LMG, it would be under HK21
Just look for HK21 in airsoft media, I'm sure your bound to find it. Or just look for my HK11 thread, I think they both posted in there too
Either way it's going to require either a custom machined front end, or a G3 RAS, plus a box or Cmag, and a heavy barrel that I think would need to be custom made
It's no easy task converting a G3 into an LMG :(

Guess i have to cancel the project =/ ... my gearbox will probably blow if i make it machine gun haha ... thanks for the help guys.

I will go back to my original idea then. G3 SG1 with madbull M203 long , bipod and handgrip.

How do you think you will get a M203, bipod AND handgrip? The M203 takes the bottom rail...unless you like turning your gun sideways to use a bi-pod.

Theres always the m203 handgrip
http://www.m203grip.com/Grip/index.html

and then possibly a barrel mounted bipod if there was enough clearance so it didnt block the m203, however that would all look very cluttered and fairly ugly.

Or the bipod where each leg attaches to the rails of each side.

I guess you guy's are right ... but i remember seeing a G3 with bipod , m203 and handgrip ... =/ i can't find it. Guess i have to choose 2 of the 3 haha.

Oooh yeah! Good one. totally forgot about about the side mounting legs.

Why not just make this?

Oh, never seen that before T7! Looks pretty good. Good luck with your build OP

the grip is definately awsome idea ! But.... i can't find any pricing on it? 50$ for a grip? hmm ? =/

Vertical Mounted Bipods - http://www.ebairsoft.com/vltor-style...de-p-1651.html
Vertical Mount handgrip - http://www.ebairsoft.com/front-grip-ot0409-p-1140.html

Hi there, glad to see that the G3 has some projects on the table :)

I've seen quite a few times a grip with integrated bipod legs that would come off under the grip, if you can find something like this you could make a 3/3 :D

Would look like this
http://www.botachtactical.com/grippodgps02.html

i don tknow but they might look weird on the g3 =/

BOOOOO I hate those ugly gen1 grippods
http://shop.ehobbyasia.com/silverbac...grip-sand.html
these are WAY better! :D

Those things are so fricken huge in person. I held one the other day and began to weep, your hands as far from the gun as it would be if you used the base of the mag as a grip.... though that would be more comfortable than the mag base.