Realistic replica guns readily available

[Dirty Deeds]

Originally Posted by Gryphon

Hi guys, I'll see what I can do about sharing our accomplishments and such, just need to gather together specifics and whatnot. We've always been something of a closed up community here but we've finally gone ahead and taken steps to legitimize ourselves as an actual sport. One of our council members' father is an attorney who assisted us in the federal registration (apparently a complicated and expensive process). In fact I believe morsredigo is on ASC here, I should direct him to this thread.

Originally Posted by Brian McIlmoyle

With your federal incorporation ... your organization could be leveraged into a national association.

Much of the work has already been done.

Bingo. If every province had an "Office", we would definatly be legit, in the eyes of some.

I would like to explore this farther, very interesting.

[Brian McIlmoyle]

Originally Posted by Dirty Deeds

Bingo. If every province had an "Office", we would definatly be legit, in the eyes of some.

I would like to explore this farther, very interesting.

With a federal incorporation provincial chapters can tuck under the federal umbrella.

We would not have to incorporate provincially.... I don't think... All the incorporations I have done have been NPO provincial...

[thephenom]

Sounds like a very good start, and sounds like it's going to take some money to get the ball rolling.

I won't mind making some donations to help our military re-enactment revolution if someone can setup an account of some sort. (Probably better off staying away from paypal since multiple transaction over time means frozen account)

[Greylocks]

We can start this in a far simpler way;

We are now Re-enactors. All of us. We re-enact modern military battles and tactics using appropriate replica equipment that is designed to be harmless.

We follow all the rules established currently by the Federal Government. We are all over 18. We all do these events in authorized areas. We educate the public (even someone just walking off the street) and the police forces about what we do in a sane and considerate manner.

We also from now on watch exactly what we do or say in public.

All of the above we can do right now, immediately, at no cost.

Then when the structure of the group is established on paper, we can be fully ready to step in.

Let's start small, because that works well. Let's start HERE, because it's already setup.

[Scarecrow]

I've never characterized myself as anything but a re-enactor. You guys are talking like you've found the holy grail. I'm glad your looking at it this way, this is the healthiest way to present it. Whenever I've opened a new field, I've spoken to the local OPP and thats exactly how I characterize it -reenacting and gaming combined.

[Greylocks]

It's not new for me either, the new bit is to make it happen across the board. And if that works, it's the best first step done by the community in a long time.

It solves so many problems it's scary.

[wolfman01]

But how do you change the title of the gun on the box? Buying a airsoft gun still wouldn't ease up the boarder. If the airsoft companies could make a few changes to their title, then maybe it could be another loop hole. But I am honestly scepticle though, the guns are what they are. I would back this anyway, what can it hurt?

Edit:One small tidbit here. In Calgary, the owner of the indoor found a grey area himself so we can play at a lazer trek facility.
He classified airsoft as "paintless ball" and got a license. Its illegal to discharge a airrifle in the city limits, except for inclosed paintball arenas. It worked for him.

Sorry I meant to post this on the Re-enactor thread:/

[mtallman]

Let me just say before I get flamed, that I don't know Snake Doctor personaly, nor do I know his maturity level, but the same can be said for all you "age verified" members.

There are over 7500 minors licsensed to posess non-restrictred firearms (Yes, "Real Steel" as you call them), but when was the last time you heard about a 15 year old taking his 12guage and shooting cars for fun? Yet, as you on ASC claim, these minors are not mature enough to handle a (comparatively) toy gun.

When can an underage person handle something like that legally? Or have it in their possession? Never, unless the actual legal owner is right there to let you use it under supervision. This is exactly the same as for a real gun.

(Greylocks said this)
This is false. Being in posession of a firearm has nothing to do with age, but rather licsenseing. That means, you can't lend your .50 BMG to your 40 year old friend (who is a policeman and an ex- US Navy Seal and "Special Ops Ranger") who doesn't have a licsense, but you could lend your .50 BMG to me, a little "immature" minor as you at ASC would say.

Looking at some of those gallery pics, I don't think some of you guys should own airsoft guns (pointing guns at unmasked people's faces at point blank with finger on the trigger). But then again, thats for the FEDERAL GOVERNMENT to decide, not for any ordinary Canadian citizens to decide. So I'm not going to try to say that you have to be "Maturity varified" or "Reta*d proffed" just because I have a grudge against you. Its the federal gov'ts job to make the laws, not ordinary Canadians.

That is correct, you cant even touch one UNLESS the legal owner is there with you. That is what ownership is seen as; the instant the item is in your hands, it's in your legal control. So that means you own it for the duration. You cant do that with a Replica.

As you have said, airsoft is a grey area. You (at 40 some odd)can not purchase a replica device. If your airsoft gun shoots 407fps +, the RCMP says it is an airgun.

I understand you guys dont want me in the sport cause of my age (15), but Im sure if given a chance, I can show how cooperative and mature I am.

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[Gryphon]

Minors telling us how to run things. What could possibly go wrong?

Thread trash in 3...2...1...

[Brian McIlmoyle]

Originally Posted by mtallman

Let me just say before I get flamed, that I don't know Snake Doctor personaly, nor do I know his maturity level, but the same can be said for all you "age verified" members.

There are over 7500 minors licsensed to posess non-restrictred firearms (Yes, "Real Steel" as you call them), but when was the last time you heard about a 15 year old taking his 12guage and shooting cars for fun? Yet, as you on ASC claim, these minors are not mature enough to handle a (comparatively) toy gun.



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Whew.... not going there... you need to read the laws a bit more...
And not apply what you think you know to this issue

[thephenom]

Please mtallman, we are generating ideas to move forward the sport, not to debate what age you can play at.

If you search around, you should know why these rules are established. You need to be 16 with parental consent to play at paintball/MRE field due to insurance reasons and 18+ to buy a Military Re-Enacting Device formerly known as airsoft due to legal issue.

As said many times before, we don't make the laws, we MRE-ers simply try to enforce and obey them.

[SnakeDoctor]

You obey them not enforce them. I don't see you with a badge now do I

[Drake]

Originally Posted by SnakeDoctor

You obey them not enforce them. I don't see you with a badge now do I

See? Snarky little nitpicking posts like these? Those are what get you in trouble.

Don't take it the wrong way, but you really need to learn to shut up.

[mtallman]

Originally Posted by Drake

See? Snarky little nitpicking posts like these? Those are what get you in trouble.

Don't take it the wrong way, but you really need to learn to shut up.

Well, its true. You don't see me in 7-11 all day scrutinizing everyone's every move, and making sure no one is stealing... even if that means not letting them enter the store in the first place.