Trying to decide on an M4...

[turok_t]

BTW, if it helps, I can post up some pics that I took from a few stores I visited. These pics show how the lower receiver is plastic. Sometimes, you need to see and hold the gun itself instead of looking at pics online. I took these pics as references.

[M4-Tactical]

Originally Posted by L473ncy

One more thing... Please don't shoot it in the backyard. At least do it in a garage or basement. That is unless you live in the sticks.

Also my $400 estimate was actually for a good high quality plastic bodied gun (TM for example), it will be at least $450+ for a decent used metal bodied gun.

It'll be in a safe place, for sure. No worries about that. I've handled real fire arms before amongst other things. So no worries about that.

I'm definitely going to spend the extra and get a metal-bodied M4.

Originally Posted by turok_t

M4-Tactical, I was, and still am, in the same boat in terms of the requirements you want for your gun. I want one that is exactly the same as the one you want. First off, I planned to get a TM SOPMOD but the price range is way out there and i heard its not even that good. I then saw the ICS and G&G M4 RIS/CQB at a local store, but hated the tinted black lower receiver, and the guns were nothing special. After a few months of research, I narrowed it down to G&P and Classic Army. New G&P guns were hard for me to find so I opted for a Classic Army M15A4 CQB for $585 brand new. Ive bought a bunch of accessories already to make a SOPMOD- larue tactical mounts, ACOG, aimpoints, rear sights. All my accessories cost me close to $600 since they are from an expensive brand, but the quality and durability definetely pays off. I pretty much used this link as a guideline for the accessories I wanted:

https://www.evotactical.com/images/m4-sopmod-poster.jpg

Even though mine is a CQB, Im planning to get a full 14.5" barrel with a Prometheus inner barrel for increase accuracy. These parts are coming soon. My battery is stored in the crane stock so its nice and concealed. I used to be less picky about my accessories, but thge more pictures and research I did, the more picky I became--> from buying generic M4 parts to specific, well known branded items that match the M4 SOPMOD

That's wild, I have that poster on my wall, and it's my current desktop wallpaper on my computer.

I'm honestly not a fan of the CQB M4's, I think they look wonky with the shorter barrel.

To be honest, I was tossed between an M4, G36c, and the XM8. The M4 Carbine has been my all-time favorite assault rifle.

I like the G36c, as it is compact, but HATE folding stocks. I love the look of it, however, from what I've read, most shoot at a lot lower FPS compared to other rifles. That being said, I wanted something in the 350+ FPS range that's going to have good range, accuracy, and pack quite a punch (not enough to do serious damage obviously).

The XM8 I liked, because it reminds me of the M4, and after playing Ghost Recon Advanced Warfighter on Xbox 360, it got me into the look of it.

Alas, I stuck with my instincts and decided to go with an M4, so here we are.

To be honest, I remember watching Black Hawk Down when it first came out, and one of the Rangers (I think), had a sick looking M4. Kinda reminded me of this one:



Picture that, with a holo-sight, a different fore-grip, and the typical retractable stock, and that's how I want my M4 to look like. Plus, maybedown the line, slap an M203 underneath for good measure

One more thing I prefer is the style of mag in the picture above, the C7-style clips vs. the traditional metal M4/M16 mags.

[turok_t]

So pretty much you like the stock in that picture, and you just want a normal RIS rail with a holosight, with the C7-style clips? That shouldnt be a problem at all. I think I saw the stock on sale at airsoft parts canada, the mags u can get anywhere, and the holosight, well, it depends if u want a Hurricane, G&P/UFC or a china clone. Those arent hard to find as well. Hurricane can run you $150+ USD, while G&P/china clone are less than $100

[marcwhite]

G&G gr16r4 commando http://www.mach1airsoft.com/web/cata...om&id=28&cat=3
$460.
Full metal one $600-$700

[turok_t]

G&G GR16 R4 commando:

http://www.007airsoft.com/products/htm/aeg-gg-m16.htm

$510+GST

[bagheera]

I have the KWA S-System and love it

[SHÖCK]

It's easy to build you own gun. The battery and stock issues are almost nothing since stocks are plentiful, cheap, available, and legal. You can make any M4 have a battery in the buffer tube or stock.

[kalnaren]

Originally Posted by turok_t

G&G GR16 R4 commando:

http://www.007airsoft.com/products/htm/aeg-gg-m16.htm

$510+GST

He said he wants full metal... none of those are full metal.

If you want a full metal gun, forget G&G completely and go for something Classic Army or higher, like G&P.

[m102404]

If what you want is the rifle pictured in your last post...build it or have someone build it for you.

By the time you get a full metal M4 and convert that to what's in the pic...you're basically tossing 60-70% of the rifle.

Tys

[M4-Tactical]

Originally Posted by turok_t

G&G GR16 R4 commando:

http://www.007airsoft.com/products/htm/aeg-gg-m16.htm

Looks good, but too much plastic for the cost.

$510+GST

Originally Posted by bagheera

I have the KWA S-System and love it

Ill check this one out!

Originally Posted by SNK

It's easy to build you own gun. The battery and stock issues are almost nothing since stocks are plentiful, cheap, available, and legal. You can make any M4 have a battery in the buffer tube or stock.

I've been thinking the last few days of just doing this. Like, buying a base M4, then changing it to fit my needs. Adding my own comp/rail system with grip, holo sight, etc.

Originally Posted by kalnaren

He said he wants full metal... none of those are full metal.

If you want a full metal gun, forget G&G completely and go for something Classic Army or higher, like G&P.

Yep, full metal body is a must for me. The only plastic I don't really care about is the grip/stock.

So far, CA is top on my list right now. I'm going to check out G&P too.

Originally Posted by m102404

If what you want is the rifle pictured in your last post...build it or have someone build it for you.

By the time you get a full metal M4 and convert that to what's in the pic...you're basically tossing 60-70% of the rifle.

Tys

I see your point and have come to the conclusion that, buying a stock/base M4, then changing to fit my needs would be the best route.

I'm thinking of picking THIS or THIS as my palette, and going from there.

[L473ncy]

Hmm.... I really don't know about the ICS since you'll need to get a new lower if you want it to be metal and those go for about $150 for a cheap metal one more like $200-250 for a good quality metal lower. Plus not only that it has a split mechbox design which means that it's not a "TM compatible" (kind of a "standard" used around the world as to aftermarket parts and such) gun in certain regards to internal parts.

The CA is probably the better buy but you're kidding yourself if you are thinking after currency conversion, taxes, and duties plus a little cut for the retailer it will be about $400. They go for around the $475-525 mark in the classifieds for a NIB gun. Best bet like you said is a used gun that someone has already done the upgrading for you.

PS: If you're a "stock class" (pump action) baller PM me.

[M4-Tactical]

I'm not sure if I'm going to buy new or used yet. However, after watching this video (YouTube - M15A4 Classic Army 2009 model airsoft review), he pretty much set me on the Classic Army M15A4 2009 Model.

Of course, like I said before, I'l be modding it to my needs, but as a base gun, it has great features.

[turok_t]

If you're going for a full metal gun, ditch G&G and ICS since you will need to buy a receiver which will cost you 150-300 which will be more than a new full metal gun. The Classic Army will top g&G and ICS anyday. Classic Army M15A4 RIS is prob the one ure looking for to make a SOPMod:

http://www.spartanimports.com/conten...mart&Itemid=26

The new 2009 versions are the "X"versions which has a higher FPS, working charging handle and bolt catch.

[theguy]

Apperently the new 2009 "X-series" Classic Army guns have completly upgraded internals over their last generation of AR-15s. I have heard nothing but good things about them

[KND]

Well, Get AV there are ton of ICS and G&G on sale.

I still always recommend ICS M4 than CA, It's just hard to find full metal ICS but once you find it then you won't disappointed.

A lots of people say that ICS M4 is not V2 compatible, For sure the gearbox is not compatible because of their split mechbox, easy swap for indoor and outdoor. The rest are almost identify to V2 mechbox excep the Anit-Reversal Latch. That's the part that can't change. The rest are pretty V2 mechbox.

KND