systema vs guarder clear: hop up

[Shredder]

MadMax, I agree with you. Aftermarket hop up assemblies have poor tolerances which makes certain sleeves/buckings hard to fit and sometimes they are too loose.

That's where modding comes in... lol!

Skladfin, just relax and enjoy.

[Skladfin]

ya good advice ill follow that =="

[Amos]

Originally Posted by Shredder

For VSR's PDI parts are nice but the PDI hop chamber doesn't provide good results considering that it uses a rubber "noodle" like nub inside.

Originally Posted by marcwhite

Thats why you buy an SCS.

Am I the only one that caught this?

Marc, You're talking to the guy who INVENTED the SCS about buying an SCS ROFL!

[Steven]

Haha yeah i noticed that too :P

Also, thanks Skladfin, and if it makes any difference, its a Maruzen APS-2 SV.

[Azathoth]

Originally Posted by Shredder

Greetings everyone.

With regards to the topic "Systema vs Guarder Clear", I personally would recommend the Systema over the Guarder clear bucking because of its softness and durability.

Most of us here use the Systema soft type bucking with setups reaching up to 530 fps without having problems. Guarder clear on the other hand is a nice bucking but durability wise, it cannot compare to a Systema.

A common mistake I always encounter at forums is using a hard type bucking used for setups with only 400 fps and in reality, hard type buckings should be used for over 500+ fps setups.

So that everyone may know, hard type buckings are only good for its air sealing capability since the lip of the bucking doesn't expand that much compared to the soft type buckings.

With regards to accuracy tests, 30 feet is irrelevant since it is too near and the hop-up has no effect at that range. I would suggest that tests should be done starting at 50 feet and up.

I have lots of accuracy test videos at youtube under the name of rickybh and most of them were done using stock barrels, stock bucking, stock internals and only an SCS is installed.

If you have any questions, please visit my site at http://shredderscs.proboards.com/index.cgi? or probably a stickied thread pertaining to hop-up problems here at ASC.

Thanks very much and Happy Holidays!

Ricky

Thank you Sir Shredder for finally coming to Airsoftcanada.

This is very TRUE. my prometheus HARD rubber in the prometheus neo hopup chamber V2 is sooo tight that at 450FPS the BB will not exit the barrel (M140spring) resulting in blown piston. It wasnt until i installed the Airsoft surgeon stage 6 that I had BB's exit the barrel.

[ThunderCactus]

I keep telling you guys, guarder black, best quality and durability I've seen apart from firefly. Prometheus rubbers are unfinished and the systema ones give random trajectories.
I had nothing else to throw in my M249, so I threw a guarder clear rubber in it before an op. Went through 3 bags of ammo, had to adjust my hopup, went through another 2 bags of ammo, went home, and gazed in amazment at the 2.5mm deep groove my 249 had reamed through the nub in the hop rubber.
But I've had a guarder black in there for over 12 bags and it's still fine and dead accurate.

[Amos]

Hrrrm...

There's a good way to remove the nub in Guarder clears for SCS!

LOL

[Shredder]

I use a Dremel with a diamond coated engraving bit to remove the mound/nub inside the bucking/sleeve.