Propane w/ plastic slide/barrel

[sina1123]

Hey i hear everywhere that green gas has the same chemical composition as propane and i hear its exactly the same but i also hear everywhere that you need a metal slide i was wondering if it would work with a plastic slide?

thanks

[owner]

It will work BUT it will be only a matter of time before you slide will crack

[Kuraitenshi]

This is an old debate on this forum, I have troubbles believing that propane and green gas are the same as if they are the same then you would need to upgrade for green gas as well. Green gas is not propane it will not damage your gun unupgraded. if your gun runs on say duster gas then yes green gas will be bad.

http://www.airsoftcanada.com/showthread.php?t=27799

[FNG]

Originally Posted by Kuraitenshi

This is an old debate on this forum, I have troubbles believing that propane and green gas are the same as if they are the same then you would need to upgrade for green gas as well. Green gas is not propane it will not damage your gun unupgraded. if your gun runs on say duster gas then yes green gas will be bad.

http://www.airsoftcanada.com/showthread.php?t=27799

Am I drunk or did that make no sense?

[Mantelope]

Originally Posted by Kuraitenshi

This is an old debate on this forum, I have troubbles believing that propane and green gas are the same as if they are the same then you would need to upgrade for green gas as well. Green gas is not propane it will not damage your gun unupgraded. if your gun runs on say duster gas then yes green gas will be bad.

http://www.airsoftcanada.com/showthread.php?t=27799

What are you on dude? The gas formerly known as green, and propane exhibit the exact same pressure at multiple different temperatures. Ergo, wear on the gun is going to be the exact same.

[Tankdude]

I think someone was sniffing the green gas....

Metal slide = propane
Plastic slide = duster

That's the rule I go by for GBBs and I have yet to break one.

[Amgoosen]

Originally Posted by Kuraitenshi

This is an old debate on this forum, I have troubbles believing that propane and green gas are the same as if they are the same then you would need to upgrade for green gas as well. Green gas is not propane it will not damage your gun unupgraded. if your gun runs on say duster gas then yes green gas will be bad.

http://www.airsoftcanada.com/showthread.php?t=27799

[LUTNIT]

If your gun is designed for duster you DO need to upgrade for green gas or propane...ideally

Propane breaking plastic guns seems to be random based on tiny flaws in the plastic, I have heard of people with the exact same gun getting completely different mileage out of em. One has the slide break after 50 rounds on propane and another gets to 10 000 and still going strong. I've used propane in all my GBB's metal or not and not had a single thing break, a few hundred rounds through my TM Hi-Capa 5.1 and another few hundred through my KSC G19 and maybe 200 through my KSC M93r running mostly full auto (all my other GBB's where metal.)

[BBS]

if you buy a plastic slided gun an plan to upgrade to a metal slide in the future, then sure go for propane and who knows when it will break but when it does you have a replacement...

Duster gas is just not strong enough for woodland type games thats why many people choose to use more powerful gases even when they are risking their plastic slides.

i myself have experienced no plastic slide breaking from propane. around 500 rounds on my KSC USP Compact, around 500 on my TM M92FS tactical master, 1000+ on my TM Desert Eagle, and 1500+ on my KSC Glock 19's before upgrading to metal. Unsurprisingly the plastic slide showed no signs of breakage prior to FMU

Yes and green gas is propane. however fps comparisons show that propane is a tad more powerful than green and propane stinks.lol

[MadMax]

It's a bit hard to say. Some GBBs have chronic issues with propane. For instance the slides for TM M9 and M9 variants (Tac Master etc) are known to eventually fail under propane. Western Arms heavy weight slides eventually crack, but for some reason their chrome plated 0.45 slides seem to be really durable. I suspect that the chrome plating prevents WA from adding metal powder fillers (to increase weight) because they interfere from the chrome plating. Because of this, you can have more plastic chains entangled with each other instead of fewer wrapped around sharp poorly bonded metal bits. I have never heard of a 3.9" full auto Prokiller (lightweight slide) or any chrome plated (mirror shiny not satin shiny) slides breaking from propane.

There's also the TM Hicapa build which has been out for more than a year with no slide failures not due to drop impact.

In short, you have to be more specific in your question as various models weather propane differently. Try asking: "Do you have a INSERT GBB MODEL and how long have you used it before the slide broke?" kind of question. Otherwise you get a mess of generalized observations mostly about GBBs you may not be interested in.

[Renegade)]

Originally Posted by FNG

Am I drunk or did that make no sense?

Oh we know your def drunk, but that still doesnt make any sence

[Codename47]

I have used this KWC Colt National Match with good 40-50 mags of propane, it has not yet broken on me, and when I took it apart, everything looked fine. Gun was cleaned well and lubricated and then tested with duster gas.

I prefer duster for this gun because I think it was built for that type of gas, reason being is that it simulates actual gun fire by releasing a visible stream of gas from the hammer and the chamber area when the trigger is pulled. I find this extremely cool, because this is not possible with propane. I don't know if other ABS guns do this with duster gas aswell, but it's my 1st ABS GBB I ever owned and I love it.

Anybody else on here has 1 like this?


HFC134a = 350fps @ 23C
Propane = 390fps+ @ 23C

future mods: custom metal slide, high flow valve, ported barrel, custom grips

[Kuraitenshi]

Originally Posted by FNG

Am I drunk or did that make no sense?

Green gas CH2FCF3CH3 (Methylated Tetrafluroethane) @21 deg C= 100psi
Propane CH3CH2CH3C3H8 @ 21 deg. C= 138psi

Hmmm..... dose this make more sence?

still don't believe me? LOOK IT UP.

www.flameengineering.com/Propane_info.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Propane..._and_Reactions

using gas that has a higher pressure than the seals are designed to handle will eventually damage ur gun.

[FNG]

I'm hungover. http://www.airsoftcanada.com/showthread.php?t=6268

[bean]

propane is c3h8 for the chemical formual the prop comes from the fact it has 3 carbon groups. Basic high school chemistry