Mad Bull GSG-1 CO2-powered "Stun" grenade out now.

[808]

Hey all.

For those that may have missed it - the Mad Bull Airsoft GSG-1 "stun" grenade is out now.

Apparently this thing releases a sound burst over 120dB strong. Owies, that's loud.

[808]

On a side-note, any field owners out there with an opinion as to whether or not something this loud would be permitted?

[Drake]

Interesting, but 120dB is pretty much the limit where permanent damage can start occurring. I'd worry about it in enclosed spaces, or if exposed to a lot of them. It's the level you'd definitely want to be wearing hearing protection.


Actually here's a neat chart:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sound_pressure


Not listed in there, but thunder is about 130dB (when you're right under the storm).

[808]

Originally Posted by Drake

Interesting, but 120dB is pretty much the limit where permanent damage can start occurring. I'd worry about it in enclosed spaces, or if exposed to a lot of them. It's the level you'd definitely want to be wearing hearing protection.


Actually here's a neat chart:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sound_pressure


Not listed in there, but thunder is about 130dB (when you're right under the storm).

HA!

I was going to post one of those charts to give an idea as to just how loud this thing is.

So, field owners - let's hear from you. Now that you have an idea as to what this thing is like. Can it be used on your fields?

[Drache]

personally I dont think Id allow them on my fields, outdoors MAYBE, but indoor CQB, no. Indoors where the sound is contained and having these things go off over and over would be a bad thing for everyone's hearing.

A 120db is about the sound of a pneumatic chipper or riveter that you are using! A .22 shot is about 140db if I remember correctly....

[TokyoSeven]

Lovely, a stun grenade that could actually really work on someone.
Thumbs up on the idea (Im so gona buy like 10) Thumbs down on the possibility of hurtin someones ears.
But just out of curiosity, its c02 powered, could this grenade be safely run on propane with less power?

[808]

Originally Posted by TokyoSeven

Lovely, a stun grenade that could actually really work on someone.
Thumbs up on the idea (Im so gona buy like 10) Thumbs down on the possibility of hurtin someones ears.
But just out of curiosity, its c02 powered, could this grenade be safely run on propane with less power?

As is my understanding.

However, I've asked my contact for some clarification, and what the dB measurement results are for other pressurized gasses like propane and duster. I'll post here and on my site when I get my reply.

[Drache]

Like I said, on outdoor games these would just be fine BUT if you were lying in a hollow and one of these goes off next to your head, expect hearing loss for awhile....

Indoor games there would be no doubt that these would be banned!

[Rumpel Felt]

I would not participate in any game allowing these. I would castrate the one who sneeks one in and uses it anyway.

Hearing loss and ear damage is no joke. When I was 13 I had a fire cracker go off about 25 cm or so from my right ear. The temporary damage was bad enough but something in my brain, like intuition or whatever, told me I had really done it that time. I caused permanent damage and unfortunatley due to my oversensitive hearing, I don't get away scott free with just a little numbing of the sense. I have permanent ringing in that ear....24 hours a day, 7 days a week, 365 days a year....forever. It also affects my balance and I actually have to knowingly compensate for it a lot of the time....my coridination has never been as good since.

Trust me guys, these are by far not worth the risk. The variables are massive when this thing goes off. And if they turn out not in your favour, you could be stuck with the effects for the rest of your life. A constant high-pitched scream is not pleasent and is often unbearable, believe me, I know!

[Hash Vapor]

How long is the duration of the sound? What kind of sound? Bang? Squeal?

[digital_blue]

I think the point of a "stun" grenade is to "stun" the opponent. The 120dB is point blank beside you. In a closed room, the sound disperses... My KJW M9 on red gas clocks at almost 107dB within 1 foot range and nobody has complained so far. Since this thing is gas powered, it probably makes a low frequency pop rather an ear damaging higher frequency snap. Besides, aren't most of you guys wearing radio headsets?

[Metalsynth]

Originally Posted by digital_blue

Besides, aren't most of you guys wearing radio headsets?

No.

And that's not applicable since most people have only one ear covered.

The only real danger with this is if someone throws one besides someone lying down right besides the ear.

I dont think this is good for games, this should be used only for simulation exercices in a controled situation.

[Drache]

Originally Posted by Metalsynth

this should be used only for simulation exercices in a controled situation.

AKA tossing into a drunken frat party

[acidpunk]

how much , and can it be brought into canada (i think it it would be like any other airsoft grenade and customs would have a new toy)

[808]

Customs wouldn't likely seize it (as far as I know). I've ordered a Tornado and PFI grenade and they were passed over during a customs inspection. Although, they CLEARLY look and feel like toys.

This is made of aluminum and could go either way. JAG Precision in the US is the North American distributor of Mad Bull products - so you can probably ask them.

www.AirsoftParts.ca, www.Xtreme-Tactics.com/store, and (I think - correct me if I'm wrong) www.CapitalAirsoft.com all carry a plethora of Mad Bull products in Canada. They should be your first point of contact for pricing.

Judging by the sound of it - you probably won't be able to use this in a gaming capacity however.