AK or M4?

Danneichh · March 4th, 2009, 03:51

Hey everybody, i've been lurking on the site for about a week now, slowly learning more about AEG's and airsoft in general. After doing some research, and looking at a lot of gun porn (fuck me my hand's getting sore

) i've whittled it down to two choices. I'm stuck between either a CA M15 A4 S.P.C., or a Real Sword Type 56. Both have fixed stocks, and are somewhat similar in terms of performance, and basically it comes down to an asthetic choice, for the most part. I'm familliar with the feel of armalites, but have never held an ak (real or otherwise) in my life. However, drooling over the RS has made me want one like crazy. so, i'm looking for input. I know the CA has rails out of the box, and i'd like to customize the gun's externals down the road, and the RS doesn't have much. The other thing is i don't wanna constantly get labeled as a terrorist simply for my gun choice. However, the RS has an all metal body and wood grips and stock, which helps it feel like the real steel. So, bottom line: from anyone's personal experience, which one is better?

KNIVEZS · March 4th, 2009, 03:56

go with the RS type 56 the gun is rock solid, it has a v3 gearbox

Danneichh · March 4th, 2009, 03:57

thanks knives, that's also what i've heard, the thing is damn near as durable as the real thing, and cheaper too.

KNIVEZS · March 4th, 2009, 04:00

Quote:

Originally Posted by Danneichh

thanks knives, that's also what i've heard, the thing is damn near as durable as the real thing, and cheaper too.

nope RS type 56 is going to cost you around $800
btw you can only buy guns here in the classified or from private retailers
but you need to be age verified

Danneichh · March 4th, 2009, 04:08

yeah, i've already done most of the legwork for Age verification, i've already contacted the age verifier for my area, and i'm setting up a meeting for this coming saturday.

as far as the prices go, i know guns are more expensive here, but i figured because the CA is more expensive than the RS (i use redwolf most of the time) i figured it would be the same deal here. another question, if i may: does the RS have a removeable flash hider and threaded outer barrel to attach a silencer?

KNIVEZS · March 4th, 2009, 04:12

yup
here's the review
http://www.airsoftcanada.com/showthread.php?t=52250

Danneichh · March 4th, 2009, 04:30

thanks a lot for the help!

Kuro_Neko · March 4th, 2009, 05:41

Since no one seems to want to chime in on the CA M4 side. I did extensive research and settled on a Classic Army M15A4 as my first gun. If an Armalite is what you're looking for then I think it's the best of all possible versions. You have the full stock which houses a large battery, plus plenty of rails (either included or easily added depending on the variant) to tacticalize with.

CA's M15A4 series in general is a big step up over their previous versions and as far as stock armalites go they're probably the best. All metal where the real steel version is, the plastic parts where the real steal version is plastic are made of high quality enhanced nylon fiber rather then abs for great texture and feel, as well as rock solidness. Classic Army has a deal with Armalite so you get all the proper markings. Plus that deal also goes to show the quality of the manufacture, Armalite wouldn't put their name on a shoddy product.

Internally the gearbox is reinforced metal and all the gears are metal as well. It fires hotter stock then Tokyo Marui's as well, firing at 300-320 fps where your average TM only fires 280-300 fps.

All in all this is a great starter gun if you can afford it. Because it's all metal you don't have to worry nearly as much about breaking it and you won't get any of the wobble or creaking that is infamous in stock TM M4/M16's. They're not cheap, but in comparison you'd easily save $200 going with a CA Armalite as apposed to a Real Sword AK47. For reference I got my CA M15A4 from the classifieds, upgraded with a bunch of Systema internals to fire 390fps, for $600 shipped which was a great price.

One of the perks of going with an M16/M4 variant is that mags are dead easy to come by and dirt cheap. You can get Star brand mags for like $5 a mag or less, plastic yeah but sturdy none the less (Star is also the only brand that makes realcaps too). Metal mags will run you a fair bit more, $15 to $30 a mag. There's no real reason to go with metal over plastic for mags except looks/realism. Though of course if you're going to go hicap then you might as well get metal ones. As to Brands, TM and CA make good mags. I've heard pretty good stuff about MAG brand mags as well. King Arms not so much, especially for M4/M16 mags. Star is always a good affordable fallback too.

Now don't get me wrong, the AK47 is a nice gun, I have one as a loaner/back up (not a Real Sword though, just an upgraded Kraken) but there's a few differences. One of the most noticeable, especially to newbies is the way mags load: with the m16/m4 variants you just slap them in and go but with ak's you have to hinge them in. It's alittle more awkward and takes more practice then M4 mags. AK mags are also not quite as common as M4 mags, though I will admit they're nearly so.

Tacticalizing AK's is considered by many to be a cardinal sin. Even if you're not a believer of that, it's not nearly as easy to tacticalize an AK as it is to do an M4, especially a Real Sword. You say that all the features of the Real Sword make it look and feel like the Real Steel version, but that's pretty much true for the CA Armalites as well.

Even though I'm advocating for the M4 I gotta tell you, you won't get labeled as a terrorist simply for running an AK. AK's are easily in the top five gun choices for airsoft. And anyway, the AK's belonged to the Commies long before terrorists came about.

You have any questions feel free to PM me.

Cheers,
Kuro_Neko

m102404 · March 4th, 2009, 08:34

DON'T RUSH INTO BUYING EITHER.

...until you get the chance to handle/hold them both.

I've owned 3 Ak rifles over time...and now have another. Honestly...I like the look of them, but I just don't like the handling/fit (although this last one might be a keeper). For whatever reason I've always gravitated back to M4 style rifles.

Get out to some games...try to get a rental (although it's doubtful that someone's going to rent you a RS 56) from one of the other players. You may find that you have a real handling preference for one over the other.

...you'll eventually end up with both...but that's later...

Have fund, best of luck,

Tys

coach · March 4th, 2009, 09:19

I just played a cold weather game last weekend and both my V2 guns (M4/MP5) were fubbared! Cracked the mechbox on the M4 as well as broke the hopup.

Monday, picked up a TM AK Spetsnaz which has the V3 box which also proved to be a workhorse in the cold. All the people with V3's were shoot full auto with no concern.

In warmer weather I will be going back to my M4 as primary as it's a beast but I now will be rebuilding the box so it's on the shelf for now.

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March 4th, 2009, 03:51	#1
Danneichh Danneichh Trader rating Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Shelburne, Ontario, Canada	AK or M4? Hey everybody, i've been lurking on the site for about a week now, slowly learning more about AEG's and airsoft in general. After doing some research, and looking at a lot of gun porn (fuck me my hand's getting sore ) i've whittled it down to two choices. I'm stuck between either a CA M15 A4 S.P.C., or a Real Sword Type 56. Both have fixed stocks, and are somewhat similar in terms of performance, and basically it comes down to an asthetic choice, for the most part. I'm familliar with the feel of armalites, but have never held an ak (real or otherwise) in my life. However, drooling over the RS has made me want one like crazy. so, i'm looking for input. I know the CA has rails out of the box, and i'd like to customize the gun's externals down the road, and the RS doesn't have much. The other thing is i don't wanna constantly get labeled as a terrorist simply for my gun choice. However, the RS has an all metal body and wood grips and stock, which helps it feel like the real steel. So, bottom line: from anyone's personal experience, which one is better?

March 4th, 2009, 03:57	#3
Danneichh Danneichh Trader rating Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Shelburne, Ontario, Canada	thanks knives, that's also what i've heard, the thing is damn near as durable as the real thing, and cheaper too.

March 4th, 2009, 04:08	#5
Danneichh Danneichh Trader rating Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Shelburne, Ontario, Canada	yeah, i've already done most of the legwork for Age verification, i've already contacted the age verifier for my area, and i'm setting up a meeting for this coming saturday. as far as the prices go, i know guns are more expensive here, but i figured because the CA is more expensive than the RS (i use redwolf most of the time) i figured it would be the same deal here. another question, if i may: does the RS have a removeable flash hider and threaded outer barrel to attach a silencer?

March 4th, 2009, 04:30	#7
Danneichh Danneichh Trader rating Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Shelburne, Ontario, Canada	thanks a lot for the help!

March 4th, 2009, 05:41	#8
Kuro_Neko Trader rating Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: St. John's, Newfoundland	Since no one seems to want to chime in on the CA M4 side. I did extensive research and settled on a Classic Army M15A4 as my first gun. If an Armalite is what you're looking for then I think it's the best of all possible versions. You have the full stock which houses a large battery, plus plenty of rails (either included or easily added depending on the variant) to tacticalize with. CA's M15A4 series in general is a big step up over their previous versions and as far as stock armalites go they're probably the best. All metal where the real steel version is, the plastic parts where the real steal version is plastic are made of high quality enhanced nylon fiber rather then abs for great texture and feel, as well as rock solidness. Classic Army has a deal with Armalite so you get all the proper markings. Plus that deal also goes to show the quality of the manufacture, Armalite wouldn't put their name on a shoddy product. Internally the gearbox is reinforced metal and all the gears are metal as well. It fires hotter stock then Tokyo Marui's as well, firing at 300-320 fps where your average TM only fires 280-300 fps. All in all this is a great starter gun if you can afford it. Because it's all metal you don't have to worry nearly as much about breaking it and you won't get any of the wobble or creaking that is infamous in stock TM M4/M16's. They're not cheap, but in comparison you'd easily save $200 going with a CA Armalite as apposed to a Real Sword AK47. For reference I got my CA M15A4 from the classifieds, upgraded with a bunch of Systema internals to fire 390fps, for $600 shipped which was a great price. One of the perks of going with an M16/M4 variant is that mags are dead easy to come by and dirt cheap. You can get Star brand mags for like $5 a mag or less, plastic yeah but sturdy none the less (Star is also the only brand that makes realcaps too). Metal mags will run you a fair bit more, $15 to $30 a mag. There's no real reason to go with metal over plastic for mags except looks/realism. Though of course if you're going to go hicap then you might as well get metal ones. As to Brands, TM and CA make good mags. I've heard pretty good stuff about MAG brand mags as well. King Arms not so much, especially for M4/M16 mags. Star is always a good affordable fallback too. Now don't get me wrong, the AK47 is a nice gun, I have one as a loaner/back up (not a Real Sword though, just an upgraded Kraken) but there's a few differences. One of the most noticeable, especially to newbies is the way mags load: with the m16/m4 variants you just slap them in and go but with ak's you have to hinge them in. It's alittle more awkward and takes more practice then M4 mags. AK mags are also not quite as common as M4 mags, though I will admit they're nearly so. Tacticalizing AK's is considered by many to be a cardinal sin. Even if you're not a believer of that, it's not nearly as easy to tacticalize an AK as it is to do an M4, especially a Real Sword. You say that all the features of the Real Sword make it look and feel like the Real Steel version, but that's pretty much true for the CA Armalites as well. Even though I'm advocating for the M4 I gotta tell you, you won't get labeled as a terrorist simply for running an AK. AK's are easily in the top five gun choices for airsoft. And anyway, the AK's belonged to the Commies long before terrorists came about. You have any questions feel free to PM me. Cheers, Kuro_Neko

March 4th, 2009, 08:34	#9
m102404 Tys Trader rating Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Toronto	DON'T RUSH INTO BUYING EITHER. ...until you get the chance to handle/hold them both. I've owned 3 Ak rifles over time...and now have another. Honestly...I like the look of them, but I just don't like the handling/fit (although this last one might be a keeper). For whatever reason I've always gravitated back to M4 style rifles. Get out to some games...try to get a rental (although it's doubtful that someone's going to rent you a RS 56) from one of the other players. You may find that you have a real handling preference for one over the other. ...you'll eventually end up with both...but that's later... Have fund, best of luck, Tys

March 4th, 2009, 09:19	#10
coach aka coachster Trader rating Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: T dot	I just played a cold weather game last weekend and both my V2 guns (M4/MP5) were fubbared! Cracked the mechbox on the M4 as well as broke the hopup. Monday, picked up a TM AK Spetsnaz which has the V3 box which also proved to be a workhorse in the cold. All the people with V3's were shoot full auto with no concern. In warmer weather I will be going back to my M4 as primary as it's a beast but I now will be rebuilding the box so it's on the shelf for now.

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