What is trigger pull like on full metal GBBs?

Gopu · July 26th, 2009, 21:36

Like the KJW Glock 23? Or any other good quality gun (TM) that can be made full metal. I'm wondering cuz right now I do real shooting with a .22 target pistol but the trigger pull is really light. When I switch to a gun with a higher trigger pull, I can't aim accurately and I think it's because the heavier trigger causes the gun to shake just before I fire.

I was thinking I could get an airsoft gun to practice with since I can't afford a 9mm and 9mm ammo at this time. But if they have really light trigger pulls I guess it wouldn't be worth it.

kalnaren · July 26th, 2009, 22:03

Well, with my KJW P.14, every now and then it would fire before I even realised I had the trigger back that far. Suffice to say, it's very light and short.

Jayne Finch · July 26th, 2009, 22:13

does it have to be a gbb? because i know the triggers on the crappy tire co2 pistol is pretty stiff

Kuro_Neko · July 26th, 2009, 22:18

Double action pistols have a longer trigger pull then the single action ones but it really depends on the gun and on the manufacturer. There's no real consensus. I had a KJW M9 Elite IA that had a fairly long trigger pull, even in single action mode (ie the hammer already back) and I have a KJW 1911A1 now that has a very short trigger pull, not a hair trigger or anything like that but still very short.

Gopu · July 26th, 2009, 22:23

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Originally Posted by Jayne Finch

does it have to be a gbb? because i know the triggers on the crappy tire co2 pistol is pretty stiff

Doesn't have to be but I would have preferred the weight be more realistic. I've already got some crappy spring gun from Canadian Tire and after cocking it the trigger pull is moderately high (I would prefer it be higher though). But it is annoying to have to cock it after each shot and I figure it can't be too durable.

Gopu · July 26th, 2009, 22:28

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Originally Posted by Kuro_Neko

Double action pistols have a longer trigger pull then the single action ones but it really depends on the gun and on the manufacturer. There's no real consensus. I had a KJW M9 Elite IA that had a fairly long trigger pull, even in single action mode (ie the hammer already back) and I have a KJW 1911A1 now that has a very short trigger pull, not a hair trigger or anything like that but still very short.

Hmmm...that's good cuz the M9 Elite IA is something that I can find in my city:
http://www.surplusig.com/19/69/172/K..._Elite_IA.html
That means I can go in person to check for myself to see if the trigger is heavy enough (you know instead of ordering online and not knowing).

ILLusion · July 26th, 2009, 22:38

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gopu

Like the KJW Glock 23? Or any other good quality gun (TM) that can be made full metal. I'm wondering cuz right now I do real shooting with a .22 target pistol but the trigger pull is really light. When I switch to a gun with a higher trigger pull, I can't aim accurately and I think it's because the heavier trigger causes the gun to shake just before I fire.

I was thinking I could get an airsoft gun to practice with since I can't afford a 9mm and 9mm ammo at this time. But if they have really light trigger pulls I guess it wouldn't be worth it.

TM 2011s and 1911s can be built with trigger pull lighter than service guns and even competition/target guns.

MadMax · July 27th, 2009, 00:22

It's not easy to craft a trigger pull on a GBB comparable to a match grade target pistol with a GBB. First off, most stock sear and hammer materials are not very hard so they need generous allowances for wear. Also because typical GBB materials are not very hard, they have higher friction when they slop past each other. Out of the box, TM trigger pulls are decently clean feeling. Not very short, but they won't have that crappy smudgy pull of a lower end gun with bare aluminum parts because TM applies a hard chrome finish to their sear-hammer components which is nice and smooth. Unfortunately they can't be ground for custom fitment because you loose the chrome.

Probably your best option is to build a TM 2011/1911 with aftermarket steel parts (hammer and sear) which you can hand stone and polish. You can also put in a stiffer hammer spring to give you a crispier trigger break with polished surfaces.

Danke · July 27th, 2009, 01:06

You won't be target shooting with a GBB will you?

If you're in a game you'll most likely have it in two hands with a crushing grip and firing multiple shots.

You also may be wearing gloves or other encumberances so a light pull, at least target pistol light is not desirable.

Styrak · July 27th, 2009, 01:09

Every pistol is different.

Gopu · July 27th, 2009, 13:04

Quote:

Originally Posted by Danke

You won't be target shooting with a GBB will you?

If you're in a game you'll most likely have it in two hands with a crushing grip and firing multiple shots.

You also may be wearing gloves or other encumberances so a light pull, at least target pistol light is not desirable.

Well I will be target shooting. I'm not interested in airsoft as a war game. But I want the heavy trigger pull so that I can learn to overcome it. It's cheaper to shoot airsoft than real guns.

Danke · July 27th, 2009, 13:16

Get an air pistol for target shooting, the accuracy of a airsoft pistol is atrocious when compared to a pellet from a rifled barrel.

m102404 · July 27th, 2009, 14:01

If you're practicing for real steel, I think your best bet would be to save up for the actual pistol and buy snap-caps (i.e. dummy rounds that are meant to be struck repeatedly by the firing pin). Especially if your talking about the long double action trigger pull. A cheap revolver would provide an great platform for controlling the take up of the trigger pull.

I haven't run into any Airsoft replicas that have a trigger much like a real steel rifle/pistol trigger. (note...some of them are kind of close to light/target triggers in pull weight...but the takeup/break of real systems is just not the same).

The long double action pistols (i.e. 226/M9 92F) at least have a bit of trigger pull in double action...and the long sweep would help you learn to control the take up. Still...I suspect that the airsoft equivalent trigger pull would be less than half of what the avg real steel counterpart (or at least the pull feels really light in comparison).

However...if you're just practicing at home with stance/sighting/grip/etc...then an airsoft GBB is fine for casual stuff. There won't be much recoil, but there's enough feedback that you'll be able to see/get a sense for things. There won't be as much sighting vs. results feedback...I'd stick to the target pistol for honing those skills.

Remember however...crappy practice makes you perfectly crappy.

Good luck!

Tys

Gopu · July 27th, 2009, 15:44

Hmmm...well I'll go check out the Surplus IG since it's not far and see what they feel like. Even if the trigger pull isn't heavy at least I can practice drawing from a holster, aligning the sights, etc...

Thanks for the help guys.

m102404 · July 27th, 2009, 15:56

Airsoft is very, very good for that.

Within 5-40ft...it's good for Alpha zone target shooting as well. Use heavier BBs (.25-.30)...it'll help with shot consistency.

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July 26th, 2009, 21:36	#1
Gopu Trader rating Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Montreal	What is trigger pull like on full metal GBBs? Like the KJW Glock 23? Or any other good quality gun (TM) that can be made full metal. I'm wondering cuz right now I do real shooting with a .22 target pistol but the trigger pull is really light. When I switch to a gun with a higher trigger pull, I can't aim accurately and I think it's because the heavier trigger causes the gun to shake just before I fire. I was thinking I could get an airsoft gun to practice with since I can't afford a 9mm and 9mm ammo at this time. But if they have really light trigger pulls I guess it wouldn't be worth it.

July 26th, 2009, 22:13	#3
Jayne Finch Trader rating Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: my field mostly. seems that way at least.	does it have to be a gbb? because i know the triggers on the crappy tire co2 pistol is pretty stiff __________________ -------------------------------------------------------- "bitches don't know 'bout my killing zombies!" "Be polite. Be professional. But, have a plan to kill everyone you meet." "i don't have a license to kill. but i have a learners permit!"

July 26th, 2009, 22:18	#4
Kuro_Neko Trader rating Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: St. John's, Newfoundland	Double action pistols have a longer trigger pull then the single action ones but it really depends on the gun and on the manufacturer. There's no real consensus. I had a KJW M9 Elite IA that had a fairly long trigger pull, even in single action mode (ie the hammer already back) and I have a KJW 1911A1 now that has a very short trigger pull, not a hair trigger or anything like that but still very short. __________________

July 27th, 2009, 00:22	#8
MadMax Delierious Designer of Dastardly Detonations Trader rating Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: in the dark recesses of some metal chip filled machine shop	It's not easy to craft a trigger pull on a GBB comparable to a match grade target pistol with a GBB. First off, most stock sear and hammer materials are not very hard so they need generous allowances for wear. Also because typical GBB materials are not very hard, they have higher friction when they slop past each other. Out of the box, TM trigger pulls are decently clean feeling. Not very short, but they won't have that crappy smudgy pull of a lower end gun with bare aluminum parts because TM applies a hard chrome finish to their sear-hammer components which is nice and smooth. Unfortunately they can't be ground for custom fitment because you loose the chrome. Probably your best option is to build a TM 2011/1911 with aftermarket steel parts (hammer and sear) which you can hand stone and polish. You can also put in a stiffer hammer spring to give you a crispier trigger break with polished surfaces. __________________ Want nearly free GBB gas?

July 27th, 2009, 01:06	#9
Danke Prancercise Guru Trader rating Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Danger Zone	You won't be target shooting with a GBB will you? If you're in a game you'll most likely have it in two hands with a crushing grip and firing multiple shots. You also may be wearing gloves or other encumberances so a light pull, at least target pistol light is not desirable. __________________ Airsoft, where nothing is hurt but feelings.

July 27th, 2009, 01:09	#10
Styrak Trader rating Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Saskatoon, SK	Every pistol is different. __________________ Airsoft Sales and Repair/Upgrade Services

July 27th, 2009, 13:16	#12
Danke Prancercise Guru Trader rating Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Danger Zone	Get an air pistol for target shooting, the accuracy of a airsoft pistol is atrocious when compared to a pellet from a rifled barrel. __________________ Airsoft, where nothing is hurt but feelings.

July 27th, 2009, 14:01	#13
m102404 Tys Trader rating Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Toronto	If you're practicing for real steel, I think your best bet would be to save up for the actual pistol and buy snap-caps (i.e. dummy rounds that are meant to be struck repeatedly by the firing pin). Especially if your talking about the long double action trigger pull. A cheap revolver would provide an great platform for controlling the take up of the trigger pull. I haven't run into any Airsoft replicas that have a trigger much like a real steel rifle/pistol trigger. (note...some of them are kind of close to light/target triggers in pull weight...but the takeup/break of real systems is just not the same). The long double action pistols (i.e. 226/M9 92F) at least have a bit of trigger pull in double action...and the long sweep would help you learn to control the take up. Still...I suspect that the airsoft equivalent trigger pull would be less than half of what the avg real steel counterpart (or at least the pull feels really light in comparison). However...if you're just practicing at home with stance/sighting/grip/etc...then an airsoft GBB is fine for casual stuff. There won't be much recoil, but there's enough feedback that you'll be able to see/get a sense for things. There won't be as much sighting vs. results feedback...I'd stick to the target pistol for honing those skills. Remember however...crappy practice makes you perfectly crappy. Good luck! Tys

July 27th, 2009, 15:44	#14
Gopu Trader rating Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Montreal	Hmmm...well I'll go check out the Surplus IG since it's not far and see what they feel like. Even if the trigger pull isn't heavy at least I can practice drawing from a holster, aligning the sights, etc... Thanks for the help guys.

July 27th, 2009, 15:56	#15
m102404 Tys Trader rating Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Toronto	Airsoft is very, very good for that. Within 5-40ft...it's good for Alpha zone target shooting as well. Use heavier BBs (.25-.30)...it'll help with shot consistency.

What is trigger pull like on full metal GBBs?

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