List Of Manufacturers

[TaroBear]

Originally Posted by LastSpartan

Posted just above you, TaroBear.

AGM seems to stand for Airsoft Gun Manufacturer, from my quick Google search. Don't quote me on this tho, could be wrong.

Well, that's what I was referred to. Do these people just not know that ACM is not a manufacteur, and then type in AGM? Or are they going for "All Ghina Made"?

[Drake]

Yes, AGM supposedly stands for "Airsoft Gun Manufacturer" and appears to be an actual company (although not a whole lot of info about is available). Not a very original name but then again MGC stood for "Model Gun Company."

So AGM, along with other PRC companies, is one of the ACM gun companies.

[L473ncy]

I've heard that "Caspian Arms" licenses their stuff to WA, ie. if you get a "Caspian Arms 1911" you're getting a WA 1911 with "Caspian Arms" trades anyone confirm that?

As for TSD I've heard they rebrand some SRC's as well as rebranding rebrands or something.

In short this might be interesting to study if you're into the networking and graph theory stuff and might be an interesting applied/independent study or for an Honours Thesis but it's probably way too hard and complex for people like us to comprehend (I'm referring to non Mathematicians/Computer Scientists/Engineers, the "Average Joe" if you will).

While we're on the topic. Whatever happened to "Angel Airsoft Parts"? I've been wondering, it seems like before people were proud that their gun had Angel upgrade parts in it but I haven't heard too much about it and it seems like a defunct company now (on Redwolf they're "Discontinued").

[Drake]

Originally Posted by L473ncy

I've heard that "Caspian Arms" licenses their stuff to WA, ie. if you get a "Caspian Arms 1911" you're getting a WA 1911 with "Caspian Arms" trades anyone confirm that?

As for TSD I've heard they rebrand some SRC's as well as rebranding rebrands or something.

In short this might be interesting to study if you're into the networking and graph theory stuff and might be an interesting applied/independent study or for an Honours Thesis but it's probably way too hard and complex for people like us to comprehend (I'm referring to non Mathematicians/Computer Scientists/Engineers, the "Average Joe" if you will).

Not sure about WA, but I know W.E. had a Caspian -trademarked 1911 (not sure if it was officially licensed or not).

Part of the problem with "mapping the network" is when it comes to Chinese companies, information is limited due to the illicit nature of the operations. There's also the problem of distributors like Cybergun which carry nearly identical products from different manufacturers (Cybergun P226s, for example, which are rebrands from both KWC and KJW).

[Shooting Addict]

Originally Posted by L473ncy

I've heard that "Caspian Arms" licenses their stuff to WA, ie. if you get a "Caspian Arms 1911" you're getting a WA 1911 with "Caspian Arms" trades anyone confirm that?

I'm think they licence trades to WA but i'm not 100% sure.

[Old School Punk]

Good Discusion gents! Thanks for setting us straight on some of this stuff Drake.

So while you mentioned them, who are "KWC and KJW" ???

Gordo

[Styrak]

Originally Posted by Drake

There's also the problem of distributors like Cybergun which carry nearly identical products from different manufacturers (Cybergun P226s, for example, which are rebrands from both KWC and KJW).

Except not nearly the same quality, so you can tell them apart easily if you have any sense.

[Azathoth]

Originally Posted by L473ncy

While we're on the topic. Whatever happened to "Angel Airsoft Parts"? I've been wondering, it seems like before people were proud that their gun had Angel upgrade parts in it but I haven't heard too much about it and it seems like a defunct company now (on Redwolf they're "Discontinued").

I believe they have gone the way of the DoDo or; it is not worth the time/expense for major retailers to carry their products. Angel products can still be found in Japan and some retailers still have stocks. Echigoya still carries some of there products so either the production runs where gigantic or they are very small to begin with and are a local niche manufacturer

[Drake]

Originally Posted by Old School Punk

Good Discusion gents! Thanks for setting us straight on some of this stuff Drake.

So while you mentioned them, who are "KWC and KJW" ???

Gordo

KJW = Kuan Ju Works. Taiwanese. Their longstanding claim to fame has been all metal version clones of Tokyo Marui pistols (Berettas and Glocks, originally). This started way back when the only full metal pistols were the result of metal upgrade kits. KJW also balanced out some of the components so the gun would function properly with the heavier metal slides, etc (anyone who's upgraded a GBB with an aftermarket kit knows how troublesome it can get). They also did a gas version of the Marui VSR and now entered the GBBR market as well.


KWC = Kien Well Co. (Kien Well Toy Industrial Co., LTD). Another Taiwanese manufacturer that's been around for a long time. They originally produced low end guns (Taiwanese gas guns, back when Japanese TM, WA and KSC were the norm); these were part of the harder shooting "green gas" -powered guns which paved the way for green gas/propane to becoming the norm. They also produced a large number of low end springers. KWC produced their own designs, some of them innovative, like their .357 revolver which used fake casings containing a BB each (creating a more realistic revolver-shooting experience). Their best known gun is probably the Mini Uzi GBB which ran on CO2 and featured an unusually heavy bolt, creating comparatively heavy recoil compared to other GBBs (specially in that era).

Originally Posted by Styrak

Except not nearly the same quality, so you can tell them apart easily if you have any sense.

Yeah, that's what I meant. The KJs are metal and half decent (I have a P229 and it's actually pretty impressive) while the KWC stuff is plastic and pretty low end overall. But in their rebranded state, the manufacturer is never mentioned so you end up with two very different "Cybergun P226s."