Upgrading an L96

[Huge]

hey everybody

wondering if I have a second option for the spring because I have a lot of difficulty finding a PDI 210. Would a PSS2 150 work or would the FPS be too high (I'm aiming for 450 with 0.2)

[Huge]

ok so I just bought a 6.03 tightbore barrel and SP120 spring (should get 425fps with the tightbore) off Airsoft Park. Now lets move on to the next things. What should I buy next?

EDIT : scratch that, didnt buy 'em because they were the wrong ones. Back to case one haha

[Treefingers]

Upgraded sears or a whole new trigger assembly. Though I've never had a problem with my L96 sears, it's recommended that you get one of those or you might run risk of breaking your sears.

You could skip it and get a new piston. You should check the diameter of the spring you bought, there are 7 and 9mm springs for the aps & aps2 system. So you may need to replace the guide to a 9mm as well as the piston. I know I had to. I'm not 100% sure that all of them come stock 7mm, but I know the TSD ones do.

[Huge]

Originally Posted by Treefingers

Upgraded sears or a whole new trigger assembly. Though I've never had a problem with my L96 sears, it's recommended that you get one of those or you might run risk of breaking your sears.

You could skip it and get a new piston. You should check the diameter of the spring you bought, there are 7 and 9mm springs for the aps & aps2 system. So you may need to replace the guide to a 9mm as well as the piston. I know I had to. I'm not 100% sure that all of them come stock 7mm, but I know the TSD ones do.

Hmm well its a Guarder SP120, maybe someone here has that information about the diameter.

[highny]

Sorry to bring up the old forum... But instead of starting a new one, I thought maybe I can continue on with this one.

I just got an L96 today, didn't come with a scope thought so I used my 4x ACOG... Kind of work, kind of didn't.

Took it out to a game, 3 out of 10 shot the bb flew kind of well, at least it ended up where I wanted. The other 7 either went straight up(I use .3 bb-bastard) before passing the 125 feet mark or went left. And this is with hop up off!

I took the gun apart... What I notice is when the hop up is turn off, the rubber still seem like it's on. I figure maybe it's because the rubber is thicker. Maybe someone can tell me otherwise?

I also broke the black circle thing that hold the barrel a line with the hop up unit, but I made sure I went back on properly... Maybe someone could tell me where I can get another one. I'm planning on getting the PDI hop up unit anyway so would I still need it?

I heard that 6.01 barrel can cause jam pretty easily... So I'm thinking 6.03 is by best bet, so that means I would need a PDI inner barrel as well to fit the PFI hop up unit. What about the hop up rubber? Does it come with the hop up unit or do I need to get it separately? Is it the same as the stock one? Or a total different system?

I have a Madbull 6.03 inner barrel laying around, would that work? Or do I need a specific l96 inner barrel for even the stock hop up system(Maybe my stock barrel is bent)?

As for zero trigger/ v-trigger... I see that they come with a piston? What if I want to get a PDI VC Precision Cylinder set, will that set's piston work or do I have to use the zero/v-triggers' piston? Also I'm having a lot of trouble finding one for the L96... Any help there would be great!

I'm mainly looking for consistency, and hopefully effective range is about 150 feet if not more. Any suggestion of which part or is the first pages' upgrade list what I should aim for?

If I'm planning on doing parts by parts, which step do you think I should do first? And second? What about third to last?

I'm also confused on the different type of L96... What's the APS? and APS2? Or are they completely different guns and therefore different parts?

Also quick question about scopes, do I REALLY need a $150+ scope? or does a cheapy like $50ish EA scope works just fine?

Thank you for your time, I know this is a lot to answer in one sitting, but any/all info is greatly appreciated.

[highny]

So I bought is:


Looks the same, but instead of engraved their brand logo on it.. It's like the image... Is there a difference? Maybe different version(says "oringinal" hop up unit)?.... Now I'm a bit worry on buying the wrong one...

Anyways! Thanks for the help.

[Eldin]

Originally Posted by highny

Sorry to bring up the old forum... But instead of starting a new one, I thought maybe I can continue on with this one.

I just got an L96 today, didn't come with a scope thought so I used my 4x ACOG... Kind of work, kind of didn't.

Took it out to a game, 3 out of 10 shot the bb flew kind of well, at least it ended up where I wanted. The other 7 either went straight up(I use .3 bb-bastard) before passing the 125 feet mark or went left. And this is with hop up off!

Sounds like the barrel

I took the gun apart... What I notice is when the hop up is turn off, the rubber still seem like it's on. I figure maybe it's because the rubber is thicker. Maybe someone can tell me otherwise?

Try reassembling the hopup and giving the bucking a good cleaning, if there's any visible damage to it (ie. ripping) get a new one.

I also broke the black circle thing that hold the barrel a line with the hop up unit, but I made sure I went back on properly... Maybe someone could tell me where I can get another one. I'm planning on getting the PDI hop up unit anyway so would I still need it?

If you're getting a new hopup, you won't need a new one.
For the meantime, just tighten the screws, it isn't a big deal.


I heard that 6.01 barrel can cause jam pretty easily... So I'm thinking 6.03 is by best bet, so that means I would need a PDI inner barrel as well to fit the PFI hop up unit. What about the hop up rubber? Does it come with the hop up unit or do I need to get it separately? Is it the same as the stock one? Or a total different system?

If this is the hopup you're talking about... http://www.uncompany.com/pageproduct...p?prodid=10691

It's designed for aeg barrels, therefore it uses an aeg hopup bucking.

I have a Madbull 6.03 inner barrel laying around, would that work? Or do I need a specific l96 inner barrel for even the stock hop up system(Maybe my stock barrel is bent)?

Sounds like your problem lies with the barrel... it could be bent, try laying it down on a flat surface and see.
But for the stock hopup chamber and the barrel, try it and see if it fits in the bucking/hopup chamber, if it does, that means it'll work, if it doesn't then it won't work.

As for zero trigger/ v-trigger... I see that they come with a piston? What if I want to get a PDI VC Precision Cylinder set, will that set's piston work or do I have to use the zero/v-triggers' piston? Also I'm having a lot of trouble finding one for the L96... Any help there would be great!

For the l96, I dont think you need a new piston, but not sure.
Here is the zero trigger for the l96: http://www.redwolfairsoft.com/redwol...for_Type96.htm

I'm mainly looking for consistency, and hopefully effective range is about 150 feet if not more. Any suggestion of which part or is the first pages' upgrade list what I should aim for?

A rough sketch of what your list should look like...
Sorry, too lazy for links, or descriptive names...

Tightbore
Hopup Chamber
Hopup Bucking
Cylinder
Cylinder Head
Zero Trigger
Piston
Piston Head
Spring
Spring Guide

If I'm planning on doing parts by parts, which step do you think I should do first? And second? What about third to last?

You should first be looking at a tightbore, then a zero trigger and new cylinder/cylin. head/piston/spring/spring guide

I'm also confused on the different type of L96... What's the APS? and APS2? Or are they completely different guns and therefore different parts?

They are completely different guns but in some cases... different parts, the well l96 uses type96 (pss96) parts. Although, some other l96's use aps2 (pss2) parts...
Don't quote me on that until I go over it in the morning... hehe

Also quick question about scopes, do I REALLY need a $150+ scope? or does a cheapy like $50ish EA scope works just fine?

It's really based on personal preferance... I run a $70 8X scope, works like a charm...

Thank you for your time, I know this is a lot to answer in one sitting, but any/all info is greatly appreciated.

No problem

Hope this helps. It's not too detailed... as I'm about to crash, but I'll add some detail to it soon, if you need it.

[highny]

Thanks Eldin!

Another question:

What is the difference between 7mm and 9mm spring guide?

And can Modify parts compete with PDI? or is it like Pro vs Joe? Just want to know what my option are here when it comes to upgrading...

[Eldin]

Originally Posted by highny

Thanks Eldin!

Another question:

What is the difference between 7mm and 9mm spring guide?

And can Modify parts compete with PDI? or is it like Pro vs Joe? Just want to know what my option are here when it comes to upgrading...

In my opinion, I prefer PDI parts over modify, although I haven't had much experience with modify parts.

9mm spring guides support springs with an 11mm inner diameter
7mm spring guides support springs with a 9mm inner diameter.

[Jagd]

Highnny, I just bought a TSD L96 (same as UTG both are manufactured by Well and rebrand as UTG or TSD) I had the same problem with the hop-up unit, it was not moving or barely moving even when the screw was completely unscrewed. So I took it appart and realized that the pin going through the hop up arm was way too tight in the frame of the hop-up unit and was putting alot of friction, hence why the hop-up arm was not moving or barely.

With a small round file I filed the openings replaced the pin and now the hop-arm works freely like a charm and the hop-up move up and down no problem like it should. I had the cheap plastic ring broken as well. It is only there for keeping the barrel from rotating, so far does not seem to affect anything really, but still I have sent an email to TSD for some spare parts. Should not be expensive (extra hop-up and plastic ring). I am not buying the PDI hop-up, since once fixed the regular hop up does work fine (alot of people seems to don't know how to fix it tough). And I got the Madbull APS2 499mm 6.03 TB with Modify spacers, will see from there after...

[highny]

Originally Posted by Eldin

9mm spring guides support springs with an 11mm inner diameter
7mm spring guides support springs with a 9mm inner diameter.

Oh?... So why is there different spring diameter? And what difference does it make? What do they affect?

There's laylax and DPI... Don't know which one to choose... From the look on classified, people usually mix the two... Is that a good idea?...

Also, does TM v/zero trigger fit a maruzen clone?

Originally Posted by Jagdalex

I am not buying the PDI hop-up, since once fixed the regular hop up does work fine.

I feel that in the end I'll end up getting that hop up unit anyways so I figure, "Why not". Also, there's more AEG rubber and bucking than that... Just in case I break it, it'll be easy finding. Thanks for the help though. Maybe I'll go ahead and try that out since my new hop up haven't arrive yet.

[ryan1796]

Originally Posted by highny

Oh?... So why is there different spring diameter? And what difference does it make? What do they affect?

I think I heard something about that but I don't remember so pass...lol

There's laylax and DPI... Don't know which one to choose... From the look on classified, people usually mix the two... Is that a good idea?...

Don't mix the part, it's always better to stick with one brand and it's on almost evert upgrade manuel or tips

Also, does TM v/zero trigger fit a maruzen clone?

I didn't know TM makes a zero trigger because TM doesn't make any upgrade parts as far as I know.




I feel that in the end I'll end up getting that hop up unit anyways so I figure, "Why not". Also, there's more AEG rubber and bucking than that... Just in case I break it, it'll be easy finding. Thanks for the help though. Maybe I'll go ahead and try that out since my new hop up haven't arrive yet.

lol Ray...we both are trying to figure our new guns..

Also you can send a PM to AMOS, he knows bolt action stuffs

[Eldin]

Originally Posted by highny

Oh?... So why is there different spring diameter? And what difference does it make? What do they affect?

Usually, the larger the diameter, the more powerful the spring.
Using the laylax springs... usually 200sp+ springs are 9mm diameter
and -200sp.
Although that's not always the case.

There's laylax and DPI... Don't know which one to choose... From the look on classified, people usually mix the two... Is that a good idea?...

It doesn't really matter, although I prefer laylax, just remember to use parts of the same manufacturer, most importantly your cylinder assembly and trigger.
Although mixing a pdi barrel or hopup chamber with laylax cylinder internals won't matter...

Also, does TM v/zero trigger fit a maruzen clone?

The zero trigger is made by laylax, the v made by pdi, they should fit, if not, all they need is a little modding... but well worth the 10 minutes

Good luck

[highny]

Originally Posted by ryan1796

Also you can send a PM to AMOS, he knows bolt action stuffs

Ya, I've asked him about how much it'll cost for him to help me upgrade my L96... It's quite a lot... Not sure if I'm willing to take that step.. Sniping might not be my thing... Pst, I got a head shot with my m16 from across town on Friday. Lucky shot + me = killing spree!

Originally Posted by Eldin

Good luck

Thanks again for the helpful info... Didn't know zero was laylax and v was PDI.

Question:
-VP and HP, which is better?
-Silencer, how big of difference does it really make?... From 50-100 feet away.
-I've heard there is a short version of the L96 which uses 333mm inner barrel... By shortening the barrel... How much "effective range" will I lose?
-Has anyone heard of the brand "military arms" inner barrel? Are they any good? I can't find anything on google... It just keeps coming up with military stuff...


So now it's all comes down to my budget and how the performance the next game I attend with the new PDI hop up unit, Prometheus soft hop up rubber and bucking, duck take spacer, bb bastards .3 bbs, and madbull 509 6.03 inner barrel! Wish me luck!

[Eldin]

Originally Posted by highny

Ya, I've asked him about how much it'll cost for him to help me upgrade my L96... It's quite a lot... Not sure if I'm willing to take that step.. Sniping might not be my thing... Pst, I got a head shot with my m16 from across town on Friday. Lucky shot + me = killing spree!



Thanks again for the helpful info... Didn't know zero was laylax and v was PDI.

Question:
-VP and HP, which is better?
...? forgive me if I'm missing an obvious abbreviation
-Silencer, how big of difference does it really make?... From 50-100 feet away.
It dulls the sound a bit, but more changes the sound to a lower frequency, which is less noticable.
Use piston dampeners, such as sorbo pads, they work like a charm reducing the noise.

-I've heard there is a short version of the L96 which uses 333mm inner barrel... By shortening the barrel... How much "effective range" will I lose?
ALOT
-Has anyone heard of the brand "military arms" inner barrel? Are they any good? I can't find anything on google... It just keeps coming up with military stuff...
I haven't... I'd stick with PDI for BA's and Promy's for AEG's

So now it's all comes down to my budget and how the performance the next game I attend with the new PDI hop up unit, Prometheus soft hop up rubber and bucking, duck take spacer, bb bastards .3 bbs, and madbull 509 6.03 inner barrel! Wish me luck!

Good Luck, once more