Motor can pull m180?

coach · January 24th, 2011, 00:12

The ASCU would solve all your overspin issues and allow you to run a big spring and big battery. You would have to still use a very high torque motor though

Edit: ASCU is V2 only right now

Corbin · January 24th, 2011, 00:12

Ya i know I'd have to deal with the other issues, so would something like that be more suitable for an m110?
http://www.airsoftpost.com/product_i...ducts_id=32257

ILLusion · January 24th, 2011, 00:31

Quote:

Originally Posted by Corbin

Ya i know I'd have to deal with the other issues, so would something like that be more suitable for an m110?
http://www.airsoftpost.com/product_i...ducts_id=32257

I believe that motor provides more torque and ROF than the original motor. If that's the case, then it could make it worse.

Corbin · January 24th, 2011, 01:15

make what worse? I haven't ordered anything yet! lol, anyways all im really looking for is a motor with a bit more torque then my stock motor.

ILLusion · January 24th, 2011, 01:43

Overspin

coach · January 24th, 2011, 08:12

I have that motor in an ASCU build and it doesn't have all that much torque. Pulling an m120, it can over spin and back spin way too easily. I've gone to the G&P m170 and it seems to control over/back spin without issue.

http://www.airsoftparts.ca/store2/in...oducts_id=1846

The higher the torque, the harder it will be to turn the pinion gear over by hand. More torque also means stronger magnets so it will stop soon when power is cut off. That G&P m120 turns way too easily by hand.

Corbin · January 24th, 2011, 19:31

So, you used the M170 motor with a m120 spring? Also Im ordering to day so i would appreciate a bit more feedback if i can get it.
PS: will this mosfet work in an ak? the switch looks different.
http://www.airsoftpost.com/product_i...ducts_id=30538

coach · January 24th, 2011, 19:50

Yes, it's a very high torque motor.

I am using the ASCU, in a G&P m120 gearbox, which eliminates the anti reverse latch. It fully depends on the cutoff lever and motor to start and stop the cycles. What was happening with the G&P m120 motor was that at the end of a cycle, the motor could not completely stop as soon as the power is disconnected. The end result is that the gears would continue to spin forwards and start a new cycle, I'll call it a slight overspin from built up forward momentum/energy, then when the motor stopped the spring would be slightly compressed and that tension would reverse the gears causing the back spin to neutral.

This was bad for me because if I caught the back spin with a trigger pull, it'd put a ton of stress on the motor. The TM eg1000 was significantly better than the G&P m120 but the m170 solved it since it will stop the moment power has been disconnected.

Corbin · January 24th, 2011, 19:54

I don't plan on an ASCU, so i will have a anti-reversal latch. So what motor would you recommend for a m110 in that setup? (with a 9.6v batt)

THe_Silencer · January 24th, 2011, 20:33

Guarder Infinite Torque http://shop.ehobbyasia.com/upgrade-p...ype-motor.html
G&P M140 http://shop.ehobbyasia.com/upgrade-p...140-short.html
G&P M160 http://shop.ehobbyasia.com/upgrade-p...ger-motor.html

I personally run the M160 in my main AEG. Strong enough to pull a M160 spring, smooth and sexy sounding, power efficient, and will give you a much better ROF than your stock motor. Worth every penny.

Corbin · January 24th, 2011, 20:37

thanks, i am most likely going to get this
http://www.airsoftpost.com/product_i...ducts_id=29143
run it with m110, and ill get my fps and rof that i want.

THe_Silencer · January 24th, 2011, 20:57

I'm not a fan of buying from US sites. Evike has a notorious rep for crap customer service. Shipping is more expensive and usually slower than from Canadian and Chinese sites and they often rape you in the ass with brokerage fees b/c many US sites use UPS. That and you're buying a rebranded Chinese motor so reliability is hit or miss.

coach · January 24th, 2011, 21:15

Quote:

Originally Posted by Corbin

I don't plan on an ASCU, so i will have a anti-reversal latch. So what motor would you recommend for a m110 in that setup? (with a 9.6v batt)

you could still potentially have overspin. I have no experience with the Matrix but I'd go with a better motor.

edit: didn't realize you are downgrading to an M110. you could be fine with that motor but again, I have no first hand experience with it.

Corbin · January 24th, 2011, 21:30

Ok, so maybe this G&P M120 then, although its high speed, would that be much of a problem with the 110? And The_silencer, what spring are you using with the m160?
http://www.airsoftpost.com/product_i...ducts_id=32257

THe_Silencer · January 24th, 2011, 23:47

Get the M120 here instead: http://www.airsoftparts.ca/store2/in...oducts_id=1269
Or if you're not in a hurry get it here and pay a total of $31 http://shop.ehobbyasia.com/gandp-ak-...tor-short.html
I'm not going to be holding your hand anymore if you insist on paying more for it at Evike. The spring I'm using gets me arounf 360 FPS so it's around an M100ish. I get around 34ish+ RPS on an 11.1v lipo, more if I'm using my Guarder high speed motor.

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January 24th, 2011, 01:43	#20
ILLusion GBB Whisperer Trader rating Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Toronto	Overspin __________________ *Advanced Airsoft Armaments and Enhancements* Quick to the gun, sure of your grip. Quick to the threat, sure of your shot. Diligentia, Vis, Celeritas Accuracy, Power, Speed

January 24th, 2011, 20:33	#25
THe_Silencer Trader rating Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Hamilton,ON	Guarder Infinite Torque http://shop.ehobbyasia.com/upgrade-p...ype-motor.html G&P M140 http://shop.ehobbyasia.com/upgrade-p...140-short.html G&P M160 http://shop.ehobbyasia.com/upgrade-p...ger-motor.html I personally run the M160 in my main AEG. Strong enough to pull a M160 spring, smooth and sexy sounding, power efficient, and will give you a much better ROF than your stock motor. Worth every penny. __________________ It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it - Aristotle -Founder of Steel City Hamilton Infantry and Tactics -Certified level 43 Autosniper by Commander Amos

January 24th, 2011, 20:57	#27
THe_Silencer Trader rating Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Hamilton,ON	I'm not a fan of buying from US sites. Evike has a notorious rep for crap customer service. Shipping is more expensive and usually slower than from Canadian and Chinese sites and they often rape you in the ass with brokerage fees b/c many US sites use UPS. That and you're buying a rebranded Chinese motor so reliability is hit or miss. __________________ It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it - Aristotle -Founder of Steel City Hamilton Infantry and Tactics -Certified level 43 Autosniper by Commander Amos Last edited by THe_Silencer; January 24th, 2011 at 23:38..

January 24th, 2011, 00:12	#16
coach aka coachster Trader rating Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: T dot	The ASCU would solve all your overspin issues and allow you to run a big spring and big battery. You would have to still use a very high torque motor though Edit: ASCU is V2 only right now

January 24th, 2011, 08:12	#21
coach aka coachster Trader rating Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: T dot	I have that motor in an ASCU build and it doesn't have all that much torque. Pulling an m120, it can over spin and back spin way too easily. I've gone to the G&P m170 and it seems to control over/back spin without issue. http://www.airsoftparts.ca/store2/in...oducts_id=1846 The higher the torque, the harder it will be to turn the pinion gear over by hand. More torque also means stronger magnets so it will stop soon when power is cut off. That G&P m120 turns way too easily by hand.

January 24th, 2011, 19:50	#23
coach aka coachster Trader rating Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: T dot	Yes, it's a very high torque motor. I am using the ASCU, in a G&P m120 gearbox, which eliminates the anti reverse latch. It fully depends on the cutoff lever and motor to start and stop the cycles. What was happening with the G&P m120 motor was that at the end of a cycle, the motor could not completely stop as soon as the power is disconnected. The end result is that the gears would continue to spin forwards and start a new cycle, I'll call it a slight overspin from built up forward momentum/energy, then when the motor stopped the spring would be slightly compressed and that tension would reverse the gears causing the back spin to neutral. This was bad for me because if I caught the back spin with a trigger pull, it'd put a ton of stress on the motor. The TM eg1000 was significantly better than the G&P m120 but the m170 solved it since it will stop the moment power has been disconnected.

January 24th, 2011, 23:47	#30
THe_Silencer Trader rating Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Hamilton,ON	Get the M120 here instead: http://www.airsoftparts.ca/store2/in...oducts_id=1269 Or if you're not in a hurry get it here and pay a total of $31 http://shop.ehobbyasia.com/gandp-ak-...tor-short.html I'm not going to be holding your hand anymore if you insist on paying more for it at Evike. The spring I'm using gets me arounf 360 FPS so it's around an M100ish. I get around 34ish+ RPS on an 11.1v lipo, more if I'm using my Guarder high speed motor. __________________ It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it - Aristotle -Founder of Steel City Hamilton Infantry and Tactics -Certified level 43 Autosniper by Commander Amos Last edited by THe_Silencer; January 24th, 2011 at 23:49..

Motor can pull m180?

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