TM new releases: @Hobby Show 2011 Japan

[Spawn28]

Originally Posted by Gulag

Yep, and it will be their own fault. Looks like they think they are still the only one on the market and they are not trying hard enough.

Agreed and they charge way too much for plastic guns there pistols are twice as much and break in half the time. Unless ya drop 500$ into em

[L473ncy]

Well, complacency in a competitive business environment does tend to do that. If you don't innovate you die. That is unless your business strategy is to let someone else do all the R&D then clone their product after the fact. Right now I think they're going the way of AMD (except without the anti trust thing) after their K8 procs, being complacent and just basically rehashing their processors without any truly large innovations.

Now on another note. What would people say is a good company to get a 1911/MEU/Desert/Night Warrior/Hi-Capa from? I'd still probably say TM since they're "the best" for GBB's and a common name but is there any better? I'm not willing to shell out for a WA though (too expensive especially after mags).

KSC/KWA - are pretty up there with their Sys7/NS2 guns (based off their GBB Glock design) and I know their Glocks are superb (I own a KSC G19 myself)
WE/SOCOM Gear - I'm not really sure about since it's generally accepted they're pretty low quality (unless they've improved and someone can correct me on this)
WA - Out of my price range (especially after adding up the price for mags)

Any other guns/companies I should consider (keep in mind that price is a factor)? I'm basically looking for a workhorse pistol for CQB/outdoor FIBUA games. I'd like it to be 1911 based, perferably an MEU or Desert/Night Warrior, however I am looking at the Hi-Capa 4.3 and it's a pretty capable platform too. Also no I don't want to get an NBB Mk.23, yeah it's nice but not really for me.

[wildcard]

Originally Posted by Gulag

Yep, and it will be their own fault. Looks like they think they are still the only one on the market and they are not trying hard enough.

No not really it's more like their unwillingness to pursue those who have cloned their AEG mechbox design ie Classic army, King Arms, G&P etc. and their unwillingness to secure those rights from the real steel counterparts to properly manufacture these replica and market them outside of Japan (They still like to think that Airsoft is for JDM use only)

The clone company can thank marui big time as all the present designs of AEG mech box as all of them evolve from Marui in some sort of form but as the so called benchmark of Airsoft quality they are lagging in their designs and innovations, there is only so much variations of Hicapa or M4 you can stomach I for one would love to see Marui develop a GBBR with their know how and existing facilities I'm sure they can produce a GBBR with better quality and performance than the WA, WE, and G&P platform

[wildcard]

Originally Posted by Spawn28

Agreed and they charge way too much for plastic guns there pistols are twice as much and break in half the time. Unless ya drop 500$ into em

Marui is just following the rules, unfortunately clones do not

[Reckless]

Originally Posted by Styrak

50 round mags for Hicapa are already out, I don't get it?

I beleive that's the extended 1911 (single stack) mag everyone has been chomping at the bit for ....

[Thenooblord]

Originally Posted by L473ncy

Well, complacency in a competitive business environment does tend to do that. If you don't innovate you die. That is unless your business strategy is to let someone else do all the R&D then clone their product after the fact. Right now I think they're going the way of AMD (except without the anti trust thing) after their K8 procs, being complacent and just basically rehashing their processors without any truly large innovations.

Now on another note. What would people say is a good company to get a 1911/MEU/Desert/Night Warrior/Hi-Capa from? I'd still probably say TM since they're "the best" for GBB's and a common name but is there any better? I'm not willing to shell out for a WA though (too expensive especially after mags).

KSC/KWA - are pretty up there with their Sys7/NS2 guns (based off their GBB Glock design) and I know their Glocks are superb (I own a KSC G19 myself)
WE/SOCOM Gear - I'm not really sure about since it's generally accepted they're pretty low quality (unless they've improved and someone can correct me on this)
WA - Out of my price range (especially after adding up the price for mags)

Any other guns/companies I should consider (keep in mind that price is a factor)? I'm basically looking for a workhorse pistol for CQB/outdoor FIBUA games. I'd like it to be 1911 based, perferably an MEU or Desert/Night Warrior, however I am looking at the Hi-Capa 4.3 and it's a pretty capable platform too. Also no I don't want to get an NBB Mk.23, yeah it's nice but not really for me.

ARMY builds a very respectable full metal MEU, its still a clone, but the quality is pretty nice, the meister MEU as well is a decent clone., the KWA and WE both take proprietary 15 round mags instead of the 28 round mags the TM clones have as well,

[Kuney]

Information amended:
Sorry, my misunderstand.
Long mag for government(single stack) is 40rds capacity. NOT 50.

[Gulag]

Originally Posted by wildcard

No not really it's more like their unwillingness to pursue those who have cloned their AEG mechbox design ie Classic army, King Arms, G&P etc. and their unwillingness to secure those rights from the real steel counterparts to properly manufacture these replica and market them outside of Japan (They still like to think that Airsoft is for JDM use only)

The clone company can thank marui big time as all the present designs of AEG mech box as all of them evolve from Marui in some sort of form but as the so called benchmark of Airsoft quality they are lagging in their designs and innovations, there is only so much variations of Hicapa or M4 you can stomach I for one would love to see Marui develop a GBBR with their know how and existing facilities I'm sure they can produce a GBBR with better quality and performance than the WA, WE, and G&P platform

Yeah, that's true, but look what clone companies did. They made guns compatible with TM, gave them solid body, shitty entrails and made f-loads of variations. What TM did? Well...not sure, really, but they for sure didn't start to made millions of new customized guns. They probably still thinks like: "Who would buy chinese gun, when they can buy ours."
And what are many players with not that magical wallets doing? They buy chinese gun, chinese mags, chinese everything and TM gears. And TM won't survive just by selling gears. That is, of course, just what I saw, maybe elsewhere people still prefer to buy TM rather than method mentioned above...

[wildcard]

Originally Posted by Gulag

Yeah, that's true, but look what clone companies did. They made guns compatible with TM, gave them solid body, shitty entrails and made f-loads of variations. What TM did? Well...not sure, really, but they for sure didn't start to made millions of new customized guns. They probably still thinks like: "Who would buy chinese gun, when they can buy ours."
And what are many players with not that magical wallets doing? They buy chinese gun, chinese mags, chinese everything and TM gears. And TM won't survive just by selling gears. That is, of course, just what I saw, maybe elsewhere people still prefer to buy TM rather than method mentioned above...

Well you are wrong again TM is simply abiding by the rules in regards to metal components in their guns, the clones based out of HK and Taiwan don't have the maximum 280fps rule like in Japan so their cloned guns do not have to be plastic and since they allowed much higher fps unlike in Japan they are free to make theirs out of metal. The first batch of Classic army metal bodies back in 97 are so heavy and inaccurate to the TM dimension that most of the time we have to dremel it to make it fit the only ones that have a perfect fit are the ones that payed for the license from Tokyo Marui like PDI, PMI, Systema etc. Before the existence of King arms, G&P, Guarder etc there are companies based out of japan that does killer modification companies like Mosquito mold, carrot, PMI, PDI Killer studio etc. again due to the lack of enforcement from clone company that most of these companies with the exception of a few survive. It benefit us as a customer in theend because the choices that we have now eclipse the amount of parts we have back in the 90's, in the end even though we benefit from the so called rise of the clones in airsoft technology and manufacturing we still can smile and say thanks to Tokyo Marui for at least jump starting the airsoft movement swing going from gas rig to AEG and back to the current gas phase

[wildcard]

There are nothing wrong with Chinese cloned guns, even the top japanese brands have their bad models, I was very skepticals about these chinese brands when they first pop out years ago (Classic army, G&P, King Arms) now the way these three companies have improved in their QC impress me to the point where my active guns are King Arms and Classic army, hell I still have one of teh original CA g3 metal bodies.

[aZn_triXta07]

Marui can stick with making GBBs and let everyone make aftermarket kits/parts for them.

G&P eats the AEG market in Hong Kong, these Taiwanese brands are only 'popular' in Canada cause it's not in good ol Commie China.

I hate not being able to watch uncensored movies and browse the Internet freely.

[krap101]

I thought I heard awhile ago that marui was concentrating more on their trains?

[sushicake]

Originally Posted by Kuney

I think 50rds mags for glock are on the market.

Yeah but there's 50 round hi-capa mags too already available.

[Deadpool]

Oh God!! A real AUG A3! WooHoo!!!

I can'T wait for that thing to come out!

[Azathoth]

Originally Posted by krap101

I thought I heard awhile ago that marui was concentrating more on their trains?

That's true. Marui is changing their business model back to it's core "models" trains, RC etc. Supposedly they are going to release more reliable EBB systems that shoot 350, such as the SOPMOD, AKMN, and SCAR.

Aside from the GBBs and a handful of other guns like the VSR10, FAMAS, P90, M14, I don't see myself ever touching a Marui gun again.