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Old August 18th, 2008, 01:49   #16
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"The "fins" impart little or no spin to the projectile; their purpose is to decrease the bearing surface of the slug to the barrel and therefore reduce friction and increase velocity."
I don't think slugs work that good if you need them to spin, a slug type bb would have a lot more area touching the barrel, lose more energy, give random results.
The cup thing, some sabot bullets work like that, but the projectile that flies in air will be a bb, and the gyroscope effect won't have much good effect on it, just the bullet shape is enough to increase accuracy and speed, because of better aerodynamics.
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Old August 18th, 2008, 01:54   #17
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Hahahha, true.

Alright:

1) JOC and most of Alberta sets the limit roughly 500 FPS (JOC itself works around 480 for any marksman rifle in semi only or bolt action), chrono'd using 0.2G BBs. If I remember my basic physics correctly, the muzzle energy of is roughly a little over 2.1 Joules. How much energy is retained at range however I'm sadly unaware of.

2) Average shots as a sniper varies depending on which role the sniper chooses. As a strategic / recon sniper, it's entirely possible to not shoot a single round the entire time, or maybe just one or two. A DMR goes through a lot more ammo; with my VSR I usually ate 200 BBs a game if I was firing heavily. That also of course doesn't include practice with the weapon.

3) Mmm, I'd pick the longest range practically available that doesn't compromise any safety rules. A 10cm grouping at 40 meters is already outranging the vast majority of airsoft rifles, and that's quite a good minute of man.
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Old August 18th, 2008, 01:59   #18
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Wow, this sounds amazing, it would really give snipers an advantage over AEG's while keeping within FPS limits.
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Old August 18th, 2008, 02:00   #19
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Sounds interesting... if I had a BA I'd pick some up to test if nothing else.

Keep us informed! And good luck.
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Old August 18th, 2008, 02:12   #20
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Old August 18th, 2008, 02:19   #21
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I dont know if this thing has an inner/outer barrel, but keeping it simple and make one barrel would be more simple.

if you look at real steel, the .17HMR caliber is pretty much the same as a .177 pellet gun. rifling shouldnt be an issue.

getting the proper fps so the projectile can be stable and yet under the limits is going to be hard.
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Old August 18th, 2008, 02:54   #22
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do want, this sounds like my css sniper dream come true ( not really the css part )


im actually very interested in the progress of this
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Old August 18th, 2008, 03:10   #23
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We ordered a tokyo marui pro sniper, friend said he designed a bullet and the barrel, so we will build them and test it, and check the results when the rifle arrives, i hope i can easily get it pass the customs yeah they are everywhere.
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Old August 18th, 2008, 03:30   #24
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But won't hop up be useless then with these rounds?
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Old August 18th, 2008, 03:38   #25
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But won't hop up be useless then with these rounds?
you got a good point
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Old August 18th, 2008, 03:50   #26
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not only would it render the hop useless, It would render stock magazines, the feeding mechanism... and many other things useless...
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Old August 18th, 2008, 03:56   #27
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not only would it render the hop useless, It would render stock magazines, the feeding mechanism... and many other things useless...
Or, it opens up a niche for other mags and parts, specific to this round. If someone wants to create and make them that is...
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Old August 18th, 2008, 04:14   #28
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If this type of round showed a huge gain in performance I'd go for it for my APS.
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Old August 18th, 2008, 04:28   #29
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IMO you guys should work on the Tanaka series, much longer inner barrel much more accuracy. The have similar design as their real steel counter parts.At 10 cents a bullet Im in, it less expensive than my .43g BBs!!!
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Check out http://www.classicairsoft.org as well because there WERE some classic guns that used bullets like these. They are very rare these days along with the ammunition but I do know this has been tried. The folks on that board that are familiar with the systems may be of some help figuring out what worked, and what didn't. Hope this helps.
If I recall correctly, the originals were rounded up and destroyed in Japan because baddies were modifying them to fire .22LR and using them as a disposable gun.
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