Mentorship of New Players

[deep in the bush]

Originally Posted by Skruface

The best mentoring I've seen/been involved in are the "Noob Days" that the Manitoba boys put on. Nothing like a group of veteran players taking 20 or 30 noobs and answering all their questions at once, letting them try all the guns at once, and then going out and playing in a safe and monitored environment with your mentors.

I support this initiative.

I also think "Mentors" need a tag, just like the Age Verification tag.

I like the idea Skruface....

I have been disscussing a "noob day" ala MB style at the Farm for later this year.

I hope it flies. The idea of mentor tags will direct questions better better too. Perhaps mentors on gear, another on Augs, another on m14... this way they will not be burried with questions and we all have strengths.

[zone 69]

I remember when I frist joined the K-town club I had to have a club member bring me to the game and inforum me on rules and introduce me to club members and he was responsible for my conduct. I could not just show up like they do now.

[pusangani]

how about letting the AV reps really sit down with people and talk to them when they take their information, if they don't want to listen...they don't get AV'd simple as that, I can't believe some of the retarded fucks who get AV'd, it should start there I think


as far as people who are already in the system, then yeh they really should have someone take them under their wing, too much of this "IN+4" shit, with one noob bringing his 3 noob buddies and no repercussions because they're not even on ASC when they fuck up at a game

Im not elitist or a geardo or anything, I run with a basic chest rig and some bdu, no bells and whistles, hell I don't even have a proper holster for my sidearm, I use an empty mag pouch, but when I go to a game and I am teamed up with some noob in jeans and a tshirt and a cansoft m4 with 2 hicaps taped together, I then understand how the the "elite" feel, it's fucking bullshit, and I hate it.

I went to a FR game not too long ago and there was some 15yo kid with a fucking motocross chestplate on over his tshirt and jeans combo, with a cansoft and hicap, this fucking pisses me off, seriously is this NS or NFLD where they're so desperate for players that they let kids play with them, NO this is fucking ON, we're better than that

I believe in the "trial by fire" method, someone does/says something stupid, they get lit up, if they truly care about becoming active in the community, they'll stick around and try to prove that they're not complete asshats, if they don't then it's no big loss to us as a community

/end rant

[jcpenny]

Originally Posted by pusangani

I went to a FR game not too long ago and there was some 15yo kid with a fucking motocross chestplate on over his tshirt and jeans combo, with a cansoft and hicap, this fucking pisses me off, seriously is this NS or NFLD where they're so desperate for players that they let kids play with them, NO this is fucking ON, we're better than that

/end rant

not trying to start anything, cause i think there is way too much bullshit going on right now, but as for your comment, I am in NS. we have a fairly decent turnout to our games, and we DO adhere to the accepted rules of airsoft here on ASC, ie.players are 18+. Sure your gonna get the idiot, uninformed 15 year old playing with his buddys in the neighborhood parks, but you will get that anywhere, even in "fucking ONTARIO" As i said I am not trying to start anything, just didnt like the uninformed and completely wrong comment about NS.

/end rant....

[aZn_triXta07]

I wore a bike/motocross pressure suit to A51 because I wanted to dive/jump/roll around without having to worry about killing myself, those jagged rocks weren't very friendly.

:P

[cbcsteve]

No more Rants please... that starts monkey shit flinging

Can't solve hate with hate. But you can solve dealing with boneheads by figuring a good system to be used to seperate and helpout the willing good airsofters and figure a way to deal with bad apples

- How to deal with bad players >> to become good

Its easier to deal with good players

[theguy]

As a relative noobs speaking, I think having one, or maybe a few players who I knew i could PM/Talk to the next time i had a stupid question and didn't want to clutter the threads here would be nice. I don't mean stupid, obvious, read the FAQ questions. I mean questions about basic maintinance and game conduct.

so, +1 to the mentor idea, maybe not 1 on 1 pairs (though that would be nice) but i would be happy if i had someone i could talk to who would be welcoming, curdious and wouldn't flame me to hell and back for asking what turned out to be an obvious question.

-Ben

[Eeyore]

If I may make a suggestion. When I learned to shoot and hunt my granfather made me start with a .22 . I was thirteen at the time and complained about wanting to shoot something bigger, but those complaints fell on deaf ears. When I learned to hunt, regardless of the mag capacity I had to load one round at a time until he was satisfied with my safe handling and maturity. Perhaps start these clinics out with .12's or sub 300 fps guns. I know alot of you are gonna say .12's suck and below 300 isn't airsoft etc... But unless I'm wrong isn't the point of this mentoring to make safer players and not more skilled players? Let them graduate into being allowed to use higher end gear after you feel safe playing against them.

[theguy]

Originally Posted by notom

If I may make a suggestion. When I learned to shoot and hunt my granfather made me start with a .22 . I was thirteen at the time and complained about wanting to shoot something bigger, but those complaints fell on deaf ears. When I learned to hunt, regardless of the mag capacity I had to load one round at a time until he was satisfied with my safe handling and maturity. Perhaps start these clinics out with .12's or sub 300 fps guns. I know alot of you are gonna say .12's suck and below 300 isn't airsoft etc... But unless I'm wrong isn't the point of this mentoring to make safer players and not more skilled players? Let them graduate into being allowed to use higher end gear after you feel safe playing against them.

Building on what notom said,

If someone in my area was to host a noob saftey clinic, and would let me attend, i would happily come, even if i did have to shoot underpowered guns, it wouldn't be an issue.

Seriously, +1 for noob days! (hopefully in the guelph/KW area)

[Jayne Finch]

i think that this is getting blown out of proportion for a lot of people. they are willing to bitch about the system but refuse or just have no ideas on how to help fix it. i didnt have anyone to mentor me when i started into airsoft. but i was lucky enough to find people at a local game who let me ask lots of questions and i would absorb. right now i am currently mentoring another player who is interested in the sport. he uses my extra gear/weapons and i am helping him meet other people and select his weapons and play style. i think we need more of this style of assistance. so heres my pitch.

-get willing members of ASC to contribute there time to take PM's etc from anyone new and answer questions they have. (i'll do it if they give me a larger inbox. lol)

-host newb days/ open houses (im contemplating having one here)

-have volunteers (possibly the ones that are already doing the first recomendation) that are willing to go to games eary or stay late to take new kids and show them a few things annswer questions and decide if they are really willing to become part of the comunity.

-host training days that show proper safety and decision making. (similar to the BA cert course)

-have swap meets where new guys can get other guys old gear for cheap.

-have noob games. where the guys can show up in jeans and a sweater with a cansoft/ borrowed/ rented gun. and play with willing vets to lead them and "train" them. (if you dont want them at regular games why not give them there own?)


i am willing to do all of these things to make sure that these guys get just as much chance to love this sport like i do.

[wildcard]

Originally Posted by ShelledPants

I'd teach them the importance of full face masks in CQB... :P

you don't need a full mask for CQB

[wildcard]

noob training day was already done before by Snow Dragons the last one I attended/assisted was in 2002 so if someone would like to call out zeonprime I'm sure he will accomodate

[chronic]

Originally Posted by cbcsteve

No more Rants please... that starts monkey shit flinging

Can't solve hate with hate. But you can solve dealing with boneheads by figuring a good system to be used to seperate and helpout the willing good airsofters and figure a way to deal with bad apples

- How to deal with bad players >> to become good

Its easier to deal with good players

Steve, way to go.
I am a noob. I need help. Generally, most people on ASC have been very helpful, most people in person have also been very nice.

However, I had to learn things the hard way and I spent alot of money on crap.

This is a great idea. It may not be for everyone, experienced or otherwise.

[Jayne Finch]

Originally Posted by wildcard

noob training day was already done before by Snow Dragons the last one I attended/assisted was in 2002 so if someone would like to call out zeonprime I'm sure he will accomodate

the last show and tell/ noob day i remember was something like two years ago out at the brampton TWAT field

Originally Posted by Ronan

I volunteer to mentor future female ascers/airsofters.

You can reach me via the ASC PM feature, please include:
*Name
*Age (Must be 18+)
*Guns&Gear
*Pic(s) (wearing the gear is optional)

Lessons available:
Do and Don't.
Basic safety course.
Advance safety course.
Shooting 101.
Basic 1on1 (CQB).
Advance 1on1 (CQB).

All is 100% free (bring your own food).

dumbass. stay on topic.

[jaggedalliance3]

hello

here is a opinion from a noob:

Make a part in the forum where you can find the names of the mentors, where they are living and what they can learn. So you can find someone that can help you and that can meet you at game. Also if they have place to take care of a noob because if someone receve 50 noobs invitations that doesn't work.

Also before a game you can ask if they are some noobs and match them before the game so they can learn on the field too

jagged