Soft or Hard Rubber?

CDN_Stalker · January 31st, 2010, 15:59

And, what distance are you shooting at that you find it really inaccurate? And just how accurate are you expecting it to be at said distance. Might be you are wanting way too much out of an airsoft gun.

Steven · January 31st, 2010, 16:29

Well, the hard really wouldn't work well....

Oh, hop-up rubbers?

SCS+ Soft

Conflicts6 · January 31st, 2010, 18:18

See, I am shooting a target at about 50 feet away. I say that is reasonable distance to have accurate shots. Also, the cold may be playing a factor. See, when I got my upgrade parts I tested the compression of the piston. When i put my finger on the air nozzle and pushed on the cylinder, it was hard to push the cylinder. So, in the cold (i am thinking) the seals on the piston are contracting, and my FPS won't be consistent, meaning my shots won't be consistent. It was about -20 outside.

CDN_Stalker · January 31st, 2010, 18:29

Cold air is more dense, therefore you'd need less hop up. 0.25g outside, even at 50ft, won't do much for accuracy out of any gun. And there is the issue of cold affecting your hop up rubber, making it not work as good.

Jonoats · January 31st, 2010, 21:32

I got an SCS and a soft hopup in the mail right now, should be here on Tuesday, I'll let you know how it works. The soft bucking you have now should be doing it for you though, try to make sure you have a nice dry clean barrel, and same for the hopup. Any silicone oil on both will screw around with your bb's.

m102404 · February 1st, 2010, 13:05

You could try a "hard" nub with a soft rubber as well. There's nothing that says you can't try mixing and matching (although a soft nub with a hard rubber probably doesn't do anything good).

Consistency in AEG's come from a couple of different sources (some of which you can control...others you can't so much):
1. Stance/aiming - if you're shooting from anything but a firmly supported solid stance...then take that into account when comparing accuracy. Shooting prone with some kind of soft support for the front end is probably the best you can do. (if you don't have a bipod, use a folded up towel over a brick/stack of books or something that's not tippy)

2. Target - you need a suitable aiming point, and the ability to actually see it accurately. If you have a big bright red-dot that glares at you or you can't pick out a very specific point with your iron sights...then don't expect the very best accuracy. Obviously an optically magnified optic is best for target shooting. Lighting is important as well...if you're shooting with iron sights, avoid having strong spots of light right above or behind you...the glare on the sights will be distracting.

3. Shot to shot velocity - you need a chronograph. Imagine a rifle where one shot is 200fps and then next is 400fps. No chance of any accuracy, right? Now imagine that the difference is smaller...say 15fps. Still has a huge impact and if you compound in other sighting/stance/aiming issues...you'll see large groups. If you can get it down to 1-2fps...call me, I've got a gun or two for you to work on.

4. BBs - weight, size, roundness, etc...will all affect things. I refuse to weight/measure individual bbs....so just buy quality brand ones and go for it. Try a different brand also. Try a slightly heavier weight (i.e. 0.28...or 0.30).

5. Conditions - if you go from hot to cold and back to hot....you might get condensation in your barrel...but that should get shot out in the first couple of shots. Your hopup rubber will be stiffer in the cold (not right away...but after you're out for a while). If you've got little breezes/gusts of wind, take that into account.

There's probably a bunch of other stuff...got to run though

The Chad · February 1st, 2010, 14:03

i hate rubbers.....hate cleanin them

venture · February 1st, 2010, 16:33

Quote:

Originally Posted by LoveMyStubby

i hate rubbers.....hate cleanin them

Never clean and reuse rubbers, that's how you get diseases!

......Anyway....sometimes a new hop-up rubber may have dirt or silicon oil on it. Don't expect it to be accurate until you have shot a couple of hicaps through it first. Then see what you have. If the rubber has silicon oil on it, this is a must.

Conflicts6 · February 1st, 2010, 16:36

Good points. I think my problem was a hard nu with a soft rubber. That may have screwed me over. I am borrowing a chrony from a friend so i could get some definite results.

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January 31st, 2010, 15:59	#16
CDN_Stalker Official ASC Bladesmith Trader rating Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Ottawa, Ont.	And, what distance are you shooting at that you find it really inaccurate? And just how accurate are you expecting it to be at said distance. Might be you are wanting way too much out of an airsoft gun. __________________ STKR Knives http://www.facebook.com/#!/pages/STK...17036668380871

January 31st, 2010, 16:29	#17
Steven Trader rating Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Langley, B.C	Well, the hard really wouldn't work well.... Oh, hop-up rubbers? SCS+ Soft __________________ Friends don't let friends use highcaps.

January 31st, 2010, 18:18	#18
Conflicts6 Trader rating Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Sault Ste. Marie	See, I am shooting a target at about 50 feet away. I say that is reasonable distance to have accurate shots. Also, the cold may be playing a factor. See, when I got my upgrade parts I tested the compression of the piston. When i put my finger on the air nozzle and pushed on the cylinder, it was hard to push the cylinder. So, in the cold (i am thinking) the seals on the piston are contracting, and my FPS won't be consistent, meaning my shots won't be consistent. It was about -20 outside. __________________ Bacon.

January 31st, 2010, 18:29	#19
CDN_Stalker Official ASC Bladesmith Trader rating Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Ottawa, Ont.	Cold air is more dense, therefore you'd need less hop up. 0.25g outside, even at 50ft, won't do much for accuracy out of any gun. And there is the issue of cold affecting your hop up rubber, making it not work as good. __________________ STKR Knives http://www.facebook.com/#!/pages/STK...17036668380871

January 31st, 2010, 21:32	#20
Jonoats Banned Trader rating Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: ON, Canada :)	I got an SCS and a soft hopup in the mail right now, should be here on Tuesday, I'll let you know how it works. The soft bucking you have now should be doing it for you though, try to make sure you have a nice dry clean barrel, and same for the hopup. Any silicone oil on both will screw around with your bb's.

February 1st, 2010, 13:05	#21
m102404 Tys Trader rating Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Toronto	You could try a "hard" nub with a soft rubber as well. There's nothing that says you can't try mixing and matching (although a soft nub with a hard rubber probably doesn't do anything good). Consistency in AEG's come from a couple of different sources (some of which you can control...others you can't so much): 1. Stance/aiming - if you're shooting from anything but a firmly supported solid stance...then take that into account when comparing accuracy. Shooting prone with some kind of soft support for the front end is probably the best you can do. (if you don't have a bipod, use a folded up towel over a brick/stack of books or something that's not tippy) 2. Target - you need a suitable aiming point, and the ability to actually see it accurately. If you have a big bright red-dot that glares at you or you can't pick out a very specific point with your iron sights...then don't expect the very best accuracy. Obviously an optically magnified optic is best for target shooting. Lighting is important as well...if you're shooting with iron sights, avoid having strong spots of light right above or behind you...the glare on the sights will be distracting. 3. Shot to shot velocity - you need a chronograph. Imagine a rifle where one shot is 200fps and then next is 400fps. No chance of any accuracy, right? Now imagine that the difference is smaller...say 15fps. Still has a huge impact and if you compound in other sighting/stance/aiming issues...you'll see large groups. If you can get it down to 1-2fps...call me, I've got a gun or two for you to work on. 4. BBs - weight, size, roundness, etc...will all affect things. I refuse to weight/measure individual bbs....so just buy quality brand ones and go for it. Try a different brand also. Try a slightly heavier weight (i.e. 0.28...or 0.30). 5. Conditions - if you go from hot to cold and back to hot....you might get condensation in your barrel...but that should get shot out in the first couple of shots. Your hopup rubber will be stiffer in the cold (not right away...but after you're out for a while). If you've got little breezes/gusts of wind, take that into account. There's probably a bunch of other stuff...got to run though

February 1st, 2010, 16:36	#24
Conflicts6 Trader rating Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Sault Ste. Marie	Good points. I think my problem was a hard nu with a soft rubber. That may have screwed me over. I am borrowing a chrony from a friend so i could get some definite results. __________________ Bacon.

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