Airsoft bit on Global National?

Brian McIlmoyle · January 15th, 2007, 15:49

Quote:

Originally Posted by frankiet

You're right, but I have heard him say that if you're not satisfied with your experience, don't pay, but don't come back. This was directed to an ATQ1 class.

I will comment on this...

Yup I said it... and I always say that.. or at least intend to..
If you come to TTAC3 and did not get value for the experience then don't pay.. I don't want your money if you don't want to give it to me..

But if you don't pay... don't come back..

Not paying because you did not enjoy yourself.. or receive value... yet showing up again... to not pay... well now you are just taking advantage.

I have also invited people to not come again.. when I found them to be disruptive, untrustworthy, or simply not nice to be around.

As for the money motivation... I gave up in total 23 hours of my weekend to activites at FACT, 16 of those for "airsoft" I took home $50 from a private lesson I did mid day on Sunday teaching one of my students some of the finer points of fencing with the sword and buckler. This is a pretty typical weekend for me.. each and every weekend. All the money goes to feed the monster that is FACT.. so that it exists, and will continue to exist.
This time is of course in excess to the hours I spent compiling notes, designing and writing the Rifleman 101 course over the past few weeks.

This is in addition to the stratigic planning for other upcoming events ..and the ongoing research and writing that I do for other projects in the pipeline, including a couple of projects for the ROM.

All this while trying to stay married.. and holding down a demanding 50 hours a week professional career.
I don't do this for the money... although I apologize to no one for receiving value for the work I do..Even if it only works out to something like $2.00 a hour on a good week.

So this begs the question... why do it? ... the simple answer is, Because I can
and because I enjoy it.. and because I believe that I can have a positive effect on people's lives by the effort. Even if that belief is a fallacy.

Manaconda · January 15th, 2007, 16:31

Any one who wants to talk shit here in after can come talk to the MAN!

I don't know who the man is but he says you can talk to him... he likes to talk.

Seriously folks it's just a game!

Make love not war.

ILLusion · January 15th, 2007, 17:11

Just saw the piece, and I thought that it was well done and shouldn't pose any harm to the sport.

Just my personal opinion and 2 cents.

MadMax · January 15th, 2007, 19:17

I happened to be at FACT on the evening that the footage was shot. Attendees were well informed of the intent of the footage and were quite happy to be filmed while playing airsoft. Perhaps it helped that eye and face protection also obscured their identities. Wow there are even ladies taking to the field so we don't look like a monosexual men only gun club.

After playing at FACT several times now, I am impressed at the level of comraderie and fair play amongst players there. A very high proportion of the players are repeat visitors who make it a point to return frequently which is a good indication that Brian is a good organizer. It's even more impressive that most of Brian's players are recent airsofters (starting within the past year) who have developed into responsible skilled shooters. Brian's brougt a lot of airsofters into the game in a really positive way.

The news report seems to be a bit of a push in the right direction. It portrays airsoft as a game played by a pretty multicultural crowd of players who want to respnsibly enjoy their sport.

Fidget11 · January 15th, 2007, 19:27

i saw the segment today when i watched global (i watch it as a podcast to avoid the commercials), its a solid segment that generally portrays us as what we are, responsible, decent, and normal people with a hobby. thankfully it doesnt make airsoft look like a scary thing for nuts who want to cause trouble.

overall it is a step in the right direction of the kind of coverage that we can use to our benefit.

AvroAero · January 15th, 2007, 20:02

Publicity we don't need, but apparently Brian does. Good for you, bad for us.

We appreciate it.

Zeonprime · January 15th, 2007, 20:12

Damn Scarecrow for being so well spoken!

and for those of you who need things spelt out.

I agree with Scarecrow. Everything he has said. Including the fact that Brian has taken into account our feelings about having AIRSOFT being mentioned in the media.

Now I'm going back to eating my chicken wings

Blackthorne · January 15th, 2007, 20:27

I saw it and can only say I wish the "real steel" firearms community got that kind of well balanced reporting.

I don't think anyone could have put a better spin on it.

I have said this before and will say it again. Airsoft WILL go public (indeed, it already has).

I am frankly tired of people in this community who sit back and preach "It's not the right time".

It WILL NEVER be the right time due the fragmentation in this community and the general populace' feelings toward firearms and anything closely realted. If we ever intend to control sports exposure to the mainstream, we are going to have to dance with the Devil.

So far, Brian is the only person I have seen to even attempt that.

He's doing a good job in my personal opinion.

Phalanix · January 15th, 2007, 20:28

Yaaaay... group hug everyone!

BBS · January 15th, 2007, 21:28

very well done report. if i knew nothing about airsoft i'd be attracted to it. finally we can slowly crawl out of the dark.

C.G · January 15th, 2007, 22:16

- Just a quick comment, being another player that was there that evening and can also stand behind Global and Brian both informing us all that a segment was being filmed (sometime late November), and for those who did not wish to be on camera, wouldn’t be. - From what I gather, there's the lines of those that like FAC avec Brian and those that don't, and in that, this debate of 'bad publicity vs. positive publicity, lets wait and see' stems up, there after the next debate of $'s vs. time donation comes up. All in all, it's a business, there's rent, bills, staff and equipment to purchase, as well as wages etc., if I could make a buck or two doing something I liked, or hell invest enough to open my own CQB place, or take over a splatters or anywhere, and cash in, of course I would do it (Because it would fund my el camino quest and maybe stack up a 'i arsft' license plate). I don't doubt anyone else wouldn't want to either. The news segment didn’t state airsoft, those in the community would know what it is, those that aren’t might want to try poking around to see what those of us that were there, were doing exactly, plus, Id also like to quickly point out, they didn’t give an address, a location, or contact information with 'For Those Interested in running around shooting at people with plastic pellets three nights a week please call' ...so.. - I don’t know.. the general public at this point, I'd think, would have forgotten that 2 minute snippet, then there could be the handful of anti-gun folk that'll be all like 'boo hiss down with you fake gun freaks' and the rest of us that are here to play...

Gato · January 15th, 2007, 23:31

Anyone got a link of the vid in .WMV format? if one's already been posted then i'm dorry, i must've missed it.

Solomance · January 15th, 2007, 23:46

Just my $0.02. The night in question was my second time at TTAC3 and my first real airsoft experience. I met a lot of great people and many now friends.
As one of the new people that TTAC3 has introduced to the sport I am grateful for its existence.

BBS · January 15th, 2007, 23:53

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gato

Anyone got a link of the vid in .WMV format? if one's already been posted then i'm dorry, i must've missed it.

hows youtube format?
YouTube - Global National - Airsoft in Toronto at TTAC3

shadow_matter · January 16th, 2007, 00:03

Whichever side of the fence you sit on when judging this piece we must remember that, as members of the airsoft community, we must show interest for things that will affect the sport. That being said we should concern ourselves with the possible (miss)interpretations of this piece and all components of it. Please keep in mind while analysing, that the piece had a greater scope than airsoft itself (The "airsoft" sport was not mentioned once) and should be treated as such. This report has been debated and over-analysed over the past 24 hours without fail.
With concern to Brians' comments in the interview we, as members of the comunity, can debate whether he should have or shouldn't have said certain things. We also all have the right to worry about the possible percussions of the statements made and the footage taken. However, we cannot project his comments made during the report onto his business practice, personal self, or devotion to the sport. To do so would be committing an obvious recency perceptual error and we, as a influential and inter-connected community, cannot allow ourselves to make this error.
The comments made discussing Brians' business practices and policies are simply not warranted in this thread as that they do not affect: the comments made, the possible interpretations of the piece, and long run affect on the sport as a whole. I believe that we should start thinking about the future of the sport and leave such (seemingly trivial) debates to either a dedicated thread, or a medium which does not have the ability to (unintentionally) smear the reputation of a member of our community due to lack of reasonable elaboration and replies.
Brian has been servicing the airsoft community in the GTA for some time now and I am sure that any of the players that have been to his sessions will vouch for his love and dedication to the sport. I am sure that any negative consequences that arise from this report will be completely unintentional.
I think it is time for us to start concerning ourselves about how the public eye responds (if at all) rather than the personal reputation and business practices of one man who made comments which could, vaguely as best, be directly linked to the airsoft sport itself.
That is just my two cents.

You can tear me apart anywhich way you wish, but that is what I personally believe.

Sincerely: Ryan

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January 15th, 2007, 16:31	#62
Manaconda Official ASC Inker Trader rating Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Toronto On	Any one who wants to talk shit here in after can come talk to the MAN! I don't know who the man is but he says you can talk to him... he likes to talk. Seriously folks it's just a game! Make love not war. __________________ In Toronto and want a rad tattoo? PM me

January 15th, 2007, 17:11	#63
ILLusion GBB Whisperer Trader rating Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Toronto	Just saw the piece, and I thought that it was well done and shouldn't pose any harm to the sport. Just my personal opinion and 2 cents. __________________ *Advanced Airsoft Armaments and Enhancements* Quick to the gun, sure of your grip. Quick to the threat, sure of your shot. Diligentia, Vis, Celeritas Accuracy, Power, Speed

January 15th, 2007, 19:17	#64
MadMax Delierious Designer of Dastardly Detonations Trader rating Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: in the dark recesses of some metal chip filled machine shop	I happened to be at FACT on the evening that the footage was shot. Attendees were well informed of the intent of the footage and were quite happy to be filmed while playing airsoft. Perhaps it helped that eye and face protection also obscured their identities. Wow there are even ladies taking to the field so we don't look like a monosexual men only gun club. After playing at FACT several times now, I am impressed at the level of comraderie and fair play amongst players there. A very high proportion of the players are repeat visitors who make it a point to return frequently which is a good indication that Brian is a good organizer. It's even more impressive that most of Brian's players are recent airsofters (starting within the past year) who have developed into responsible skilled shooters. Brian's brougt a lot of airsofters into the game in a really positive way. The news report seems to be a bit of a push in the right direction. It portrays airsoft as a game played by a pretty multicultural crowd of players who want to respnsibly enjoy their sport. __________________ Want nearly free GBB gas?

January 15th, 2007, 19:27	#65
Fidget11 Trader rating Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Edmonton, Alberta.	i saw the segment today when i watched global (i watch it as a podcast to avoid the commercials), its a solid segment that generally portrays us as what we are, responsible, decent, and normal people with a hobby. thankfully it doesnt make airsoft look like a scary thing for nuts who want to cause trouble. overall it is a step in the right direction of the kind of coverage that we can use to our benefit. __________________ Stop Sulking About It! - Prioritize & Organize! - Canadian Airsoft Is Not A Crime! Primary: G36K Secondary: FMU SIG P226

January 15th, 2007, 20:02	#66
AvroAero Trader rating Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Vaughan, Ontario	Publicity we don't need, but apparently Brian does. Good for you, bad for us. We appreciate it. __________________ Old User Rating

January 15th, 2007, 20:27	#68
Blackthorne A Total Bastard Trader rating Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Consecon, Ontario	I saw it and can only say I wish the "real steel" firearms community got that kind of well balanced reporting. I don't think anyone could have put a better spin on it. I have said this before and will say it again. Airsoft WILL go public (indeed, it already has). I am frankly tired of people in this community who sit back and preach "It's not the right time". It WILL NEVER be the right time due the fragmentation in this community and the general populace' feelings toward firearms and anything closely realted. If we ever intend to control sports exposure to the mainstream, we are going to have to dance with the Devil. So far, Brian is the only person I have seen to even attempt that. He's doing a good job in my personal opinion. __________________ VINCITE OMNIMODO

January 15th, 2007, 20:28	#69
Phalanix raaaaawrrr! Trader rating Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: GTA	Yaaaay... group hug everyone! __________________ My ASC UserID is 666. Oh, great...

January 15th, 2007, 21:28	#70
BBS Trader rating Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: BC, Canada	very well done report. if i knew nothing about airsoft i'd be attracted to it. finally we can slowly crawl out of the dark.

January 15th, 2007, 22:16	#71
C.G Trader rating Join Date: Sep 2006	- Just a quick comment, being another player that was there that evening and can also stand behind Global and Brian both informing us all that a segment was being filmed (sometime late November), and for those who did not wish to be on camera, wouldn’t be. - From what I gather, there's the lines of those that like FAC avec Brian and those that don't, and in that, this debate of 'bad publicity vs. positive publicity, lets wait and see' stems up, there after the next debate of $'s vs. time donation comes up. All in all, it's a business, there's rent, bills, staff and equipment to purchase, as well as wages etc., if I could make a buck or two doing something I liked, or hell invest enough to open my own CQB place, or take over a splatters or anywhere, and cash in, of course I would do it (Because it would fund my el camino quest and maybe stack up a 'i arsft' license plate). I don't doubt anyone else wouldn't want to either. The news segment didn’t state airsoft, those in the community would know what it is, those that aren’t might want to try poking around to see what those of us that were there, were doing exactly, plus, Id also like to quickly point out, they didn’t give an address, a location, or contact information with 'For Those Interested in running around shooting at people with plastic pellets three nights a week please call' ...so.. - I don’t know.. the general public at this point, I'd think, would have forgotten that 2 minute snippet, then there could be the handful of anti-gun folk that'll be all like 'boo hiss down with you fake gun freaks' and the rest of us that are here to play... __________________ _________________________________ Team GHOSTS - Fides et Amicitia G-44

January 16th, 2007, 00:03	#75
shadow_matter Trader rating Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Kitchener Ontario	Just a thought Whichever side of the fence you sit on when judging this piece we must remember that, as members of the airsoft community, we must show interest for things that will affect the sport. That being said we should concern ourselves with the possible (miss)interpretations of this piece and all components of it. Please keep in mind while analysing, that the piece had a greater scope than airsoft itself (The "airsoft" sport was not mentioned once) and should be treated as such. This report has been debated and over-analysed over the past 24 hours without fail. With concern to Brians' comments in the interview we, as members of the comunity, can debate whether he should have or shouldn't have said certain things. We also all have the right to worry about the possible percussions of the statements made and the footage taken. However, we cannot project his comments made during the report onto his business practice, personal self, or devotion to the sport. To do so would be committing an obvious recency perceptual error and we, as a influential and inter-connected community, cannot allow ourselves to make this error. The comments made discussing Brians' business practices and policies are simply not warranted in this thread as that they do not affect: the comments made, the possible interpretations of the piece, and long run affect on the sport as a whole. I believe that we should start thinking about the future of the sport and leave such (seemingly trivial) debates to either a dedicated thread, or a medium which does not have the ability to (unintentionally) smear the reputation of a member of our community due to lack of reasonable elaboration and replies. Brian has been servicing the airsoft community in the GTA for some time now and I am sure that any of the players that have been to his sessions will vouch for his love and dedication to the sport. I am sure that any negative consequences that arise from this report will be completely unintentional. I think it is time for us to start concerning ourselves about how the public eye responds (if at all) rather than the personal reputation and business practices of one man who made comments which could, vaguely as best, be directly linked to the airsoft sport itself. That is just my two cents. You can tear me apart anywhich way you wish, but that is what I personally believe. Sincerely: Ryan __________________ Call sign: Shadow_Matter "I play airsoft, yes yes..."

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