A Question for the Pros - AIRSOFT DYNAMICS

//Tendril · January 25th, 2006, 17:16

It'll be a custom design. Realism is an option, but coolness is a fact. I borrow elements from all my favorite "real steel" models, and mix them together. It won't be a paintball marker, that's for sure.

//Tendril

Greylocks · January 25th, 2006, 18:19

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Originally Posted by //Tendril

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Originally Posted by Greylocks

If you are considering manufacturing an entire airsoft gun, I hope you have checked the rather severe legal aspects of that project...
400% pushes an airsoft BB well above sane safety levels.

If it comes above the 500fps/whatever Joules, you are manufacturing a firearm without a legal permit to do so. That means serious jail time.

Agreed, but I want to test with the absolute most power the weapon can handle. As to test the parts, and endurance of the design. I'll bump it down to legal, when I play. 250% - 300% of the same model; however, remember that this is a sniper rifle, so the fps is staying at about 500.

//Tendril

I dont think you got it... just building it at all is against a whole LOT of nasty laws. If you dont have a manufacturing permit, it's Illegal. But, that's your life, right?

//Tendril · January 25th, 2006, 18:40

Hmm. I wasn't aware of that. Do you have any articles I could read, on the subject?

//Tendril

Tankdude · January 25th, 2006, 19:23

No he doesn't.

Your not making a real gun.

Greylocks · January 25th, 2006, 21:47

You're making something that falls under the Replica laws, or the firearm laws at that power level.
Read up on what it takes to make those legally. That will also tell you the consequences if you decide to do it illegally.
Now if you have at least your gunsmithing license and machining business running, disregard what I said.
I said what I had to say, feel free to ignore it.

//Tendril · January 25th, 2006, 23:18

Well, since the gun is of custom design, Replica Laws need not apply to me. No name brands, models, or resemblance to a "real steel" weapon.

And, even if I decided to make the weapon with the 600 fps spring I originally intended, I wouldn't be selling it, or giving it away. If I registered it, and kept it to myself, according to those laws, it would be legal ... but I'll just use a 300% spring and keep the fps at 500. To stay on the safe side, and avoid the conflict.

Plus, I emailed the Canadian Firearms Center, with request to the laws you speak of. And, I asked for their professional opinion on the legality on the issue.

I wouldn't ignore your advice. Afterall, getting shot down by you is just another way I can keep learning things about this sport.

//Tendril

Arvara · January 26th, 2006, 04:30

The question is, do you really think a person who could make their own rifle would be stupid enough to get caught firing it before bringing it down? I realize that doing something illegally without getting caught is still illegal, but as he said, he plans to lower the FPS right after he finds out if he can hit that mark. It's the challenge, and once you set a goal like that you can lose sleep over not meeting it.

Greylocks · January 26th, 2006, 07:51

*sigh*

There are 2 separate problems; it's speed, and what it will be seen as (legally or by interpretation).

If it has the power of a firearm, and you manufacture even ONE, you risk jail.
If it even looks like a firearm AND has the power of one on top of it all, it's illegal; you just built a weapon without a permit. It's not because it can be toned down that's the problem, but it's based on what it CAN do by your design.

The CFC has no say in this, we ALL know how bad they are at interpreting even the simplest concepts.

So let me tell you a scenario that will happen: you will probably build this anyway with little research or after the first 'ok' you hear from a bureaucrat.
It will, by your specs, quite probably fall into the firearm level of power. That just by itself is illegal.
When you test it, bad luck is sure to put someone nearby who will see it and freak because they dont know crap.
Police WILL be called (happened before to others, for much stranger things like a replica musket used at a reenactment that was called in as a 'shotgun' to the local 911 service).
Police will arrive with a whole lot of other police and you will have to convince them that THEIR "interpretation" of the laws is wrong no matter what the CFC told you.

Have fun. This happened before.

After being a Chief Range Officer for a bloody long time, I'm killing myself giving you free advice about things I sure as hell would not do myself.

Now go live your dream. I hope it does not bite you in the ass. Criminal records have a habit of sticking and ruining your life.

Want a fancy airsoft? It will cost you far less, and be legal, to get something rare instead.

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January 25th, 2006, 17:16	#16
//Tendril Trader rating Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Alberta, Canada	It'll be a custom design. Realism is an option, but coolness is a fact. I borrow elements from all my favorite "real steel" models, and mix them together. It won't be a paintball marker, that's for sure. //Tendril

January 25th, 2006, 18:40	#18
//Tendril Trader rating Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Alberta, Canada	Hmm. I wasn't aware of that. Do you have any articles I could read, on the subject? //Tendril

January 25th, 2006, 19:23	#19
Tankdude Trader rating Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: East Coast, New Brunswick	No he doesn't. Your not making a real gun.

January 25th, 2006, 21:47	#20
Greylocks Trader rating Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Gatineau, Quebec (Near Ottawa)	You're making something that falls under the Replica laws, or the firearm laws at that power level. Read up on what it takes to make those legally. That will also tell you the consequences if you decide to do it illegally. Now if you have at least your gunsmithing license and machining business running, disregard what I said. I said what I had to say, feel free to ignore it.

January 25th, 2006, 23:18	#21
//Tendril Trader rating Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Alberta, Canada	Well, since the gun is of custom design, Replica Laws need not apply to me. No name brands, models, or resemblance to a "real steel" weapon. And, even if I decided to make the weapon with the 600 fps spring I originally intended, I wouldn't be selling it, or giving it away. If I registered it, and kept it to myself, according to those laws, it would be legal ... but I'll just use a 300% spring and keep the fps at 500. To stay on the safe side, and avoid the conflict. Plus, I emailed the Canadian Firearms Center, with request to the laws you speak of. And, I asked for their professional opinion on the legality on the issue. I wouldn't ignore your advice. Afterall, getting shot down by you is just another way I can keep learning things about this sport. //Tendril

January 26th, 2006, 04:30	#22
Arvara Trader rating Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Alberta	The question is, do you really think a person who could make their own rifle would be stupid enough to get caught firing it before bringing it down? I realize that doing something illegally without getting caught is still illegal, but as he said, he plans to lower the FPS right after he finds out if he can hit that mark. It's the challenge, and once you set a goal like that you can lose sleep over not meeting it.

January 26th, 2006, 07:51	#23
Greylocks Trader rating Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Gatineau, Quebec (Near Ottawa)	sigh There are 2 separate problems; it's speed, and what it will be seen as (legally or by interpretation). If it has the power of a firearm, and you manufacture even ONE, you risk jail. If it even looks like a firearm AND has the power of one on top of it all, it's illegal; you just built a weapon without a permit. It's not because it can be toned down that's the problem, but it's based on what it CAN do by your design. The CFC has no say in this, we ALL know how bad they are at interpreting even the simplest concepts. So let me tell you a scenario that will happen: you will probably build this anyway with little research or after the first 'ok' you hear from a bureaucrat. It will, by your specs, quite probably fall into the firearm level of power. That just by itself is illegal. When you test it, bad luck is sure to put someone nearby who will see it and freak because they dont know crap. Police WILL be called (happened before to others, for much stranger things like a replica musket used at a reenactment that was called in as a 'shotgun' to the local 911 service). Police will arrive with a whole lot of other police and you will have to convince them that THEIR "interpretation" of the laws is wrong no matter what the CFC told you. Have fun. This happened before. After being a Chief Range Officer for a bloody long time, I'm killing myself giving you free advice about things I sure as hell would not do myself. Now go live your dream. I hope it does not bite you in the ass. Criminal records have a habit of sticking and ruining your life. Want a fancy airsoft? It will cost you far less, and be legal, to get something rare instead.

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