TM M4 new type

[vondnik]

Originally Posted by Rumpel Felt

I haven't heard of ANY CA's going down out of the box lately. Back in the day yes, but that was then, before I bought, this is now, where CA guns kick ass and always do.

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Well actually I have yet to see a CA that works out of the box...new or old...but that`s just me...

[stokes]

I love my CA m15a4 CQB its solid and has crazy ROF and FPS out of box. TM has nothing on CA. Therefore I suggest either go with CA, ICS or G&P dont settle for anything less.

Originally Posted by stokes

TM has nothing on CA.

easy cowboy

Aside from the plastic recievers on the armalites, TM is fantastic.

[Rumpel Felt]

I'm with stokes. Plastic pretty much everything on nearly every gun. They've never put out out a gun with any internal upgrades either. They don't include anything but the gun. It's actually considered a big deal if you get a rail here or there TM. I think that is lame.

[SHaKaL]

Originally Posted by vondnik

Well actually I have yet to see a CA that works out of the box...new or old...but that`s just me...

Weird... i own 2 CA (ca36k and ca33e) and never had any majors problems with them (except finding lowcaps for the 33). Who know, maybe im just lucky

[major kartel]

O K!!!

so this topic is more of a personal choice !

i have not much of a opinion because dont own any ! but i am looking for a m4a1 so a full metal from CA would be really interesting becasue i will beat the crap out of this guns on the battle field ! and will baby it after !

plastic wont cut it for me specialy if i want do give it a custom paint brush plastic is to flexible and i want the gun to be has heavy and real has possible !

i have been reserching this subject for more the an couple of weeks and i learn that tis true that CA HAD some problems in the past but are catching up to TM VERY fasT and migth past them in a very near futur !

anyway thats just a noobs 2 cents :P

Cya ! :cheers:

[Goldman]

Its funny, you really see the experience or age gap with the TM CA debate. For those of us around for Ver 1 and 2 CA M16 siries, we remember the horrors of having a DOA gun from the factory, and just being out cash, or having the thing crap out on you in the middle of a game. I beleive this was also true of the CA MP5 siries, however I can't comment on them.

The newer gen CA guns (Ever since Armalite took over the QC of the Armalite line) are much more reliable, and as such better value. This early experience with CA m4s however has scarred a lot of users, who now won't bother with anything but a TM, as we know they will fire, and they will always fire. I know I don't mind paying a bit more for an AEG if I know it has years of excellent service behind it, rather than risking $600+ on a brand that historically, has been shit.

Edit - It should also be noted that "back in the day" was not all that long ago...

[major kartel]

LOL

i will listen to more experiance players like ur self Goldman ! and for a first gun i do want it to fire and fire for a long time ! i am worried about the plastic tho ! i mean i want to play hard with that weapon ! and i am really scare that i will take a dive and end up braking it at least the plastic part :S LOL

anyway i still have loads of resaerch to do befor buying ! like where to get it ! i tired to get a hold of redwolf but it seams like they ignore me a$$holes LOL

anyway thanks again for the imput

later :cheers:

[Point_Man]

Originally Posted by Kos-Mos

Well..

the C7A2 (M16A3) we are using here in the army do have some barrel wobble...(well not all of them, but mostly the ones that have fired about 10 clips)

The older ones for training are awfull.... like 1/8 inch at the tip in every direction........

Knowing that these have some wobble, it is not surprising that the airsoft counterpart do have some too...

Ok...normally I don't do this...but seriously, what the heck are you smoking?

[attack-beaver]

your research is all and good but the best way to learn is go out and woop some ass on the field.

[BawBag]

Originally Posted by Kos-Mos

Well..

the C7A2 (M16A3) we are using here in the army do have some barrel wobble...(well not all of them, but mostly the ones that have fired about 10 clips)

The older ones for training are awfull.... like 1/8 inch at the tip in every direction........

Knowing that these have some wobble, it is not surprising that the airsoft counterpart do have some too...

I'm sorry but what the hell? I went to colt where they make our c7a2 *m16a3*(according to you) and well its impossible to have barrel wobble because well.. its made with the rest of the upper reciever.. and now after firing 10clips? thats less then 4 mags.. Just today I got to go nuts with 9mags on c7a1 (older ones) and all 9 mags gone in at least 5mins no barrel wobble.. So please, get some screws tightened in your head or something

[Kid]

Originally Posted by major kartel

LOL

i will listen to more experiance players like ur self Goldman ! and for a first gun i do want it to fire and fire for a long time ! i am worried about the plastic tho ! i mean i want to play hard with that weapon ! and i am really scare that i will take a dive and end up braking it at least the plastic part :S LOL

anyway i still have loads of resaerch to do befor buying ! like where to get it ! i tired to get a hold of redwolf but it seams like they ignore me a$$holes LOL

anyway thanks again for the imput

later :cheers:

You can't buy from Redwolf, in Canada only. CA is great.

[Ghillie973]

Originally Posted by Point_Man

Ok...normally I don't do this...but seriously, what the heck are you smoking?

Well I can't comment on the barrel wobble but when I was in St Jean doing my BMQ, the C7's (old ones w/ fixed carrying handles) we used had lose pistol grips, stocks, and some with lose flash hiders. I know that you could probley just tighten them up but when we asked our instructors they just said to deal with it seeing as they're just our BMQ rifles.

So it is possible to have lose parts on CF Rifles, but I doubt you'd have barrel wobble.

[Daedalus_DevGru]

this is what it all comes down to:

if you buy ca gp ics armalites you are willing to settle for whatever metal body and internal parts they give you.

if you buy a marui, you put whatever parts you want on/in the gun without compromises.

metal breaks too. just because its metal doesnt automatically mean its stronger. it only makes you think the gun is stronger. some of the metal used in airsoft is actually very brittle so while it may be less prone to warping and wiggling it may shatter on impact.

take a look at this metal bodied m4 after a fall:


this is only the upper you should see pics of the lower, its in even worse shape.

[Gryphon]

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