Red Gas importing and questions....

Uziguy · December 15th, 2007, 13:48

I am looking to buy some red gas for my WA Shan Beretta M1934. It comes with a Co2 mag so I know that it can handle the extra pressure. Its only getting 220 fps with green and the Co2 mag uses a threaded co2 cannister which sticks out the bottom of the mag.

I saw this at Redwolf http://www.redwolfairsoft.com/redwol...il?prodID=8706

I was wondering if this would be a problem to import or if anyone could offer any info regarding this gases effectiveness, ie fps gains that I should expect?

Jugglez · December 15th, 2007, 13:58

http://cbsa-asfc.gc.ca/E/pub/cm/d5-1...tml#procedures

Uziguy · December 15th, 2007, 14:42

OK, so from what I can gather green propane is 100psi and red is 121psi (at 21 celsius. So I would imagine that I would reieve a 21% increase in fps and blowback ove propane use? 40fps more would be great, but now the question is how to get this imported.

Does anyone know how to obtain red gas in Canada?

TokyoSeven · December 15th, 2007, 15:27

An alternative you could try is attempting to use a highflow valve on your mag, that may boost your FPS as little.

Drake · December 15th, 2007, 20:10

Unless there's some new formulation to it "red gas" was HFC-22, which AFAIK is now a "banned" gas. You might have trouble importing because of that.

Looking at pics of how the 12gr CO2 canister "installs" (for lack of a better term -- that's f'n ghetto) it seems to be venting CO2 directly into a regular mag? Or is there extra modifications being done to the mag (like a pipe, to bypass gas sitting in the reservoir)?

Because if the reservoir can actually handle CO2 pressure like that, I'd instead suggest getting one of those Madbull CO2 adapters and just filling the reservoir up with CO2. Best of both worlds.

Uziguy · December 15th, 2007, 22:57

WOW! I just took out my mags valve out and removed two of the four "posts" on the valve to increase the gas flow. It began as stock 219 fps (5 shot avg) and after the mod it now shoots a very respectable 252 fps (5 shot avg). Theres still plenty of gas left over for 2 full mags of bb's. I'd still like some red gas if anyone knows how to safely get it but im now much happier with this cool little gun!

Scooby Steve · December 15th, 2007, 23:02

Have you heard of... Black Gas?

Drake · December 16th, 2007, 00:08

Black gas is CO2

Amos · December 16th, 2007, 00:24

Yup... if I remember correctly, C02 is much higher pressure than red gas...

Red gas will give you a reduction in FPS.

Uziguy · December 16th, 2007, 01:01

Black gas is not Co2, here is a link to a gas comparison chart;

http://www.airsoftcanada.com/showthr...hlight=red+gas

Red gas would not give me a reduction in fps because im not using the Co2 mag (I hate the way it looks) I am only going to be using the green gas mag, so red gas would be great or even black gas, but where to find either is the problem???

Drake · December 16th, 2007, 01:24

Dunno where that chart is from... while it's generally right, Black Gas has always traditionally referred to CO2.

And propylene (AKA propene) is C3H6, not.. whatever is listed in that chart. Not to mention propylene is a hazmat (asphyxiant), so I doubt anyone would be playing with it (nor have I ever heard of any instances of that occuring).

The old ASZ boards had some debates about what Red Gas actually was, just as some folks argued not all green gases were the same, but not so for Black.

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December 15th, 2007, 13:48	#1
Uziguy Banned Trader rating Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Barrie	Red Gas importing and questions.... I am looking to buy some red gas for my WA Shan Beretta M1934. It comes with a Co2 mag so I know that it can handle the extra pressure. Its only getting 220 fps with green and the Co2 mag uses a threaded co2 cannister which sticks out the bottom of the mag. I saw this at Redwolf http://www.redwolfairsoft.com/redwol...il?prodID=8706 I was wondering if this would be a problem to import or if anyone could offer any info regarding this gases effectiveness, ie fps gains that I should expect?

December 15th, 2007, 13:58	#2
Jugglez Trader rating Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Swimming in a pool of Xpresspost receipts.... Toronto - 400/401	http://cbsa-asfc.gc.ca/E/pub/cm/d5-1...tml#procedures __________________

December 15th, 2007, 15:27	#4
TokyoSeven Red Wine & Adderall Trader rating Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Saskatoon, SK	An alternative you could try is attempting to use a highflow valve on your mag, that may boost your FPS as little. __________________ "Its only a little bit on fire"

December 15th, 2007, 14:42	#3
Uziguy Banned Trader rating Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Barrie	OK, so from what I can gather green propane is 100psi and red is 121psi (at 21 celsius. So I would imagine that I would reieve a 21% increase in fps and blowback ove propane use? 40fps more would be great, but now the question is how to get this imported. Does anyone know how to obtain red gas in Canada?

December 15th, 2007, 20:10	#5
Drake E-01 Trader rating Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Montreal, QC	Unless there's some new formulation to it "red gas" was HFC-22, which AFAIK is now a "banned" gas. You might have trouble importing because of that. Looking at pics of how the 12gr CO2 canister "installs" (for lack of a better term -- that's f'n ghetto) it seems to be venting CO2 directly into a regular mag? Or is there extra modifications being done to the mag (like a pipe, to bypass gas sitting in the reservoir)? Because if the reservoir can actually handle CO2 pressure like that, I'd instead suggest getting one of those Madbull CO2 adapters and just filling the reservoir up with CO2. Best of both worlds. __________________

December 15th, 2007, 22:57	#6
Uziguy Banned Trader rating Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Barrie	WOW! I just took out my mags valve out and removed two of the four "posts" on the valve to increase the gas flow. It began as stock 219 fps (5 shot avg) and after the mod it now shoots a very respectable 252 fps (5 shot avg). Theres still plenty of gas left over for 2 full mags of bb's. I'd still like some red gas if anyone knows how to safely get it but im now much happier with this cool little gun!

December 15th, 2007, 23:02	#7
Scooby Steve Trader rating Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: St. Catharines, ON	Have you heard of... Black Gas?

December 16th, 2007, 00:08	#8
Drake E-01 Trader rating Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Montreal, QC	Black gas is CO2 __________________

December 16th, 2007, 00:24	#9
Amos Trader rating Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Japan	Yup... if I remember correctly, C02 is much higher pressure than red gas... Red gas will give you a reduction in FPS. __________________ Custom Builds: FA3674U Krinkov G3SD6

December 16th, 2007, 01:01	#10
Uziguy Banned Trader rating Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Barrie	Black gas is not Co2, here is a link to a gas comparison chart; http://www.airsoftcanada.com/showthr...hlight=red+gas Red gas would not give me a reduction in fps because im not using the Co2 mag (I hate the way it looks) I am only going to be using the green gas mag, so red gas would be great or even black gas, but where to find either is the problem???

December 16th, 2007, 01:24	#11
Drake E-01 Trader rating Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Montreal, QC	Dunno where that chart is from... while it's generally right, Black Gas has always traditionally referred to CO2. And propylene (AKA propene) is C3H6, not.. whatever is listed in that chart. Not to mention propylene is a hazmat (asphyxiant), so I doubt anyone would be playing with it (nor have I ever heard of any instances of that occuring). The old ASZ boards had some debates about what Red Gas actually was, just as some folks argued not all green gases were the same, but not so for Black. __________________

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