Madbull Real Steel to AS Conversion

[Cliffradical]

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[Styrak]

Originally Posted by Danke

I used to point firearms at people 9-5 and very few of them came away with deep emotional scars.

Hunh?

[Danke]

People point real firearms at each other all the time during training. Blanks, simunitions, etc. It's no big deal.

This is not an item for skirmishing. It's from a company that makes airsoft parts but it is meant for a totally different market.

The sky is not falling.

[Gato]

Originally Posted by Boyso

Still, it's airsoft and not simunitions.

It's just wrong.

Right, you might want to check what some units and groups within the LEO community are starting to use for training besides Simunitions, this would complement the airsoft they're already using quite nicely as airsoft shotguns are rather unrealistic and complete trash for the most part

Like Danke, I've pointed real firearms at more people than I can count and none of them ever had problems with it. In fact, most of them learned something and improved.

[Ballcancer]

I agree with what Gato said.. I know that the OPP is switching from simunition and beginning to use PTW's.

[Pinard]

Originally Posted by Ballcancer

I agree with what Gato said.. I know that the OPP is switching from simunition and beginning to use PTW's.

I totally understand why.. do you know how much is costs for simunition ! that is soo expensive lol.

[Dimitri]

Originally Posted by Mr. inked

he died cause the movie people decided to take real bullets pull them apart taking out the gun powder but they forgot to take out the primer which was enough to push the bullet forward and killing him had nothing to do with airsoft

Not quite, the bad dummy rounds lodged a bullet into the barrel, it was not until later when the gun was deemed "safe" later that it was loaded with blanks that pushed the bullet that was originally lodged in the barrel that killed Brandon Lee.

Point is, dicking around with firearms is dangerous. There have been plenty of accidents. And its foolish to think that each and every person who decides to say they are shooting a "airsoft conversion" shell really is. Doesn't take much to mix up ammunition of similar size, shape and color.

Dimitri

[Boyso]

Originally Posted by Gato

Right, you might want to check what some units and groups within the LEO community are starting to use for training besides Simunitions, this would complement the airsoft they're already using quite nicely as airsoft shotguns are rather unrealistic and complete trash for the most part

Like Danke, I've pointed real firearms at more people than I can count and none of them ever had problems with it. In fact, most of them learned something and improved.

Well if it's used for training by LE or military, there's no problem. The real problem is if this is sold to the general public. I understand we are trying to make our guns as realistic as possible, but when you bring a real shotgun to a game, "airsoft chambered" or not is just asking for trouble IMO.

[MultipleParadox]

I don't know, I think you guys are mostly overreacting to this;
In this "sister's thread" (I don't feel like linking) where it's about the release of the shells themselves, the same kind of reactions was sparked, and it was stated by many members that "with a modified shotgun barrel so it can't load live ammo would be acceptable"; Madbull comes with exactly this, and it still is no good?

One could buy a Tanaka/AirsoftSurgeon M870 (AKA Slug Shot) at nearly a grand in Canada, and it would be great. But in the end it comes to the same exact thing. A shotgun is really just this, a barrel, trigger/hammer and a fire pin, be it airsoft or real. Of course, the Airsoft version might blow you in the face if loaded with real shells, but the risk of injury/death is just the same.

I myself stated in that other thread that I wouldn't be confortable if a player would come with a RealSteel and shoot those so-called training shells (not sure why you guys keep saying that's for a different market, and not for airsoft, etc... it's all the same). Now with a modified barrel, made by a reputable company, I wouldn't mind that much, as long as its known and proven that the gun's been modified and won't accept real shells.

On another note, what prevents me to build a shotgun (just like that China Lake guy) full metal and all, and load live shells? Same result really.

Food for thoughts?

Edit: just a precision on my personal thoughts on the matter; I'm not saying "go bring these in on the fields there's no problems there". I'm kind of on the fence on what to think about this really. Since many concerns were already depicted by previous posts, I chose to play the devil's advocate mostly. Still, I think what I wrote nonetheless