M14?? Good Choice??

[acebit23]

Well im wondering if a M14 is a good idea for a starter gun?? if it is could you explain why or if its a crap choice explain why thank you

What are some good brands for m14's????

[kullwarrior]

If you pick brand names its always good choice, however, this does below in more or so in the Newbie section

[surebet]

Go TM or go something else.

You will need to get AVed for these though

[acebit23]

Originally Posted by kullwarrior

If you pick brand names its always good choice, however, this does below in more or so in the Newbie section

Crap your right I should have but this in the noob section *facepalm*

[FOX_111]

Remember, an M14 is a battle rifle, not an assault rifle. That mean, it's a long and heavy rifle ment to shoot far from a steady position.

For airsoft, an assault rifle is more apropriate, due to it's size.

Doctrine asside, I'd get an M14 only if you plan on upgrading it into a sharpshooter rifle. If not, then it might be a little hard to play with if you like to assault.

I'd got with a TM and nothing else.

[Donster]

well i think i can answer your question as i bought an M14 for MY first airsoft gun after gaming with several others.

Basically, here is the lowdown:

First rule! = BUY TM
If you're getting an M14, ONLY buy TM. Dont be fooled by people saying its a full TM clone, cause it isn't. The tolerances will be off, and if you upgrade it, it wont perform as well as an equally upgraded TM. No matter how good the deal may seem, or how good the price is, buy TM.

moving on:

For a first gun, if you want an M14, you will have to know what your getting into:

The gun is heavy. I knew this, but many people get rid of the M14 for this reason. Simple put, the gun isn't mean for quick engagements or fast movement. Heavy in weight, and that weight is displaced more to the front (read: front heavy). The gun is long and unwieldy (read: hard to maneuver). You wont be running around a lot, and if you are, it wont be fast. You wont be hitting up bunkers or buildings, cause you cant use your gun in those close environments.

the battery compartment sucks. you will have to take off the butplate everytime you put the battery in. A lipo will ameliorate this. But i dont like Lipos. DO NOT USE MINI BATTERIES. Large or lipo only.

These are the negatives of the gun. You must know them and accept them. They cannot be changed

The positives:

Stock, the gun is awesome. Outranges almost all stock AEGs. Shoots at about 320ish with a 0.2g bb and its accuracy is excellent.

Upgraded properly, and you are basically using a Semi-auto sniper rifle. The gun is built well and the gearbox is solid. If you plan on shooting in semi, get a reinforced cut-off lever, and also get a reinforced selector arm.

If you like sneaking around, taking long range, accurate shots, than this is for you. It has the added bonus of being able to fire in FA, which means you can lay down some fire should shit get real (and ive had to do it on about 3 occasions).

If you think the pros outweigh the cons, than do it. I dont regret it at all. I love my gun. Its exactly what i wanted and knew it was going to be.

True M14 owners know that to use the gun as a primary is more than just using the gun. Its becoming the class of DM, sniper etc. Its not about running and gunning. You are NOT a rifleman. You are the DM. If you want that, than get the gun.

I hope that answers some of your questions. If you have anymore, post it up or shoot me a PM, ill do my best to answer

[Ninja_En_Short]

Donster did a pretty good job on explaining things. I'll just add :

Know your environment, if you're only on CQB or forest with a lot of narrow passages, don't take a full length one, it's a pain to use a fishing pole in these environments.

Remember also that there are many versions of M14 : classic, EBR, JAE, DMR (used USMC I think), and some other more or less weird kits. Nearly as much as for M4 actually.
On these also know that if you are really used to pistol grips (like me), it can be pretty rough on the wrist with old school stock (used an M14 JAE for one day, sharp pain for the week, sold it in no time and back to G36). If you're like this take something with pistol grip.

You should also know that M14 are not easy to modify or upgrade internally if you don't know how to dismount it beforehand. Understand that it is a bit tricky, not like a FAMAS (hate that one) but still.
If you think that may be a problem for you change for an AR15 type AEG (M16 and alike).

I honestly don't advice the M14 as a first replica, usually I go for G36 (sturdy and the most easy to modify of all) from SRC if you want Cansoft (great gearbox on gen 3) or, if you want the best, the ARES one (tried the last TM, nothing but an far over priced gizmo).

For M14 brands you have TM which will hold pretty well internally but the body (plastic) kinda lacks sturdiness.
I don't agree with Donster on some "TM clone" (sorry dude). The best M14, for me, are now build by CYMA. The gearbox is as sturdy as TM but the bodies are a lot better, even the plastic ones. The reason being that they used a more dense plastic and the bodies are a bit thicker.
CA could have been nice if they weren't that expensive.
ARES / STAR are good too, and they have some really uncommon models (I like the uncommon look) but they sometime have slight leaking issuesor lemons so I would not recommmend them for a first.
On the uncommon you have the M14 JAE from KART (or the ACM, they're the exact same I owned both of them) with is extremely nice on both internal and external features.

Ok done. Hope it will help

[stewy]

well my teammate have a m14 and he loving it it really depend on your style

[Volko]

Have to agree with FOX_111 its a big gun with a lot of weight. I would go with something lighter for your first gun otherwise after a month or so its going straight into the closet to collect dust.

But hey you might end up loving it, so who knows.

[mills0]

Originally Posted by Volko

Have to agree with FOX_111 its a big gun with a lot of weight. I would go with something lighter for your first gun otherwise after a month or so its going straight into the closet to collect dust.

But hey you might end up loving it, so who knows.

I loved mine, but the weight, and length finally got to me, It really does suck trying to use it as an assault rifle.

BUT. If you use it how it's intended to be used they are awsome!

[disasterarea]

The 14 is a long gun, only get one if you want to use it as a sort of field rifle. You know, mid-long range. In CQB/urban, you'll have indexing problems, sweeping teammates and such, and corners will be a pain in the ass.

[Rugger_can]

Your in toronto, so i suggest going out to an Open game and checking out what others are using and asking their honest opinions. If your nice about it some might even let you shoulder one or fire a few rounds. It really helps if you have it in your hands and can see them in person.

Also you could get AVed that way and can thusly check the classifieds.

Good luck and welcome to the sport.

[acebit23]

Originally Posted by Donster

well i think i can answer your question as i bought an M14 for MY first airsoft gun after gaming with several others.

Basically, here is the lowdown:

First rule! = BUY TM
If you're getting an M14, ONLY buy TM. Dont be fooled by people saying its a full TM clone, cause it isn't. The tolerances will be off, and if you upgrade it, it wont perform as well as an equally upgraded TM. No matter how good the deal may seem, or how good the price is, buy TM.

moving on:

For a first gun, if you want an M14, you will have to know what your getting into:

The gun is heavy. I knew this, but many people get rid of the M14 for this reason. Simple put, the gun isn't mean for quick engagements or fast movement. Heavy in weight, and that weight is displaced more to the front (read: front heavy). The gun is long and unwieldy (read: hard to maneuver). You wont be running around a lot, and if you are, it wont be fast. You wont be hitting up bunkers or buildings, cause you cant use your gun in those close environments.

the battery compartment sucks. you will have to take off the butplate everytime you put the battery in. A lipo will ameliorate this. But i dont like Lipos. DO NOT USE MINI BATTERIES. Large or lipo only.

These are the negatives of the gun. You must know them and accept them. They cannot be changed

The positives:

Stock, the gun is awesome. Outranges almost all stock AEGs. Shoots at about 320ish with a 0.2g bb and its accuracy is excellent.

Upgraded properly, and you are basically using a Semi-auto sniper rifle. The gun is built well and the gearbox is solid. If you plan on shooting in semi, get a reinforced cut-off lever, and also get a reinforced selector arm.

If you like sneaking around, taking long range, accurate shots, than this is for you. It has the added bonus of being able to fire in FA, which means you can lay down some fire should shit get real (and ive had to do it on about 3 occasions).

If you think the pros outweigh the cons, than do it. I dont regret it at all. I love my gun. Its exactly what i wanted and knew it was going to be.

True M14 owners know that to use the gun as a primary is more than just using the gun. Its becoming the class of DM, sniper etc. Its not about running and gunning. You are NOT a rifleman. You are the DM. If you want that, than get the gun.

I hope that answers some of your questions. If you have anymore, post it up or shoot me a PM, ill do my best to answer

Thank you donster!!!!!!! (airsoft legend)

[acebit23]

Originally Posted by Ninja_En_Short

Donster did a pretty good job on explaining things. I'll just add :

Know your environment, if you're only on CQB or forest with a lot of narrow passages, don't take a full length one, it's a pain to use a fishing pole in these environments.

Remember also that there are many versions of M14 : classic, EBR, JAE, DMR (used USMC I think), and some other more or less weird kits. Nearly as much as for M4 actually.
On these also know that if you are really used to pistol grips (like me), it can be pretty rough on the wrist with old school stock (used an M14 JAE for one day, sharp pain for the week, sold it in no time and back to G36). If you're like this take something with pistol grip.

You should also know that M14 are not easy to modify or upgrade internally if you don't know how to dismount it beforehand. Understand that it is a bit tricky, not like a FAMAS (hate that one) but still.
If you think that may be a problem for you change for an AR15 type AEG (M16 and alike).

I honestly don't advice the M14 as a first replica, usually I go for G36 (sturdy and the most easy to modify of all) from SRC if you want Cansoft (great gearbox on gen 3) or, if you want the best, the ARES one (tried the last TM, nothing but an far over priced gizmo).

For M14 brands you have TM which will hold pretty well internally but the body (plastic) kinda lacks sturdiness.
I don't agree with Donster on some "TM clone" (sorry dude). The best M14, for me, are now build by CYMA. The gearbox is as sturdy as TM but the bodies are a lot better, even the plastic ones. The reason being that they used a more dense plastic and the bodies are a bit thicker.
CA could have been nice if they weren't that expensive.
ARES / STAR are good too, and they have some really uncommon models (I like the uncommon look) but they sometime have slight leaking issuesor lemons so I would not recommmend them for a first.
On the uncommon you have the M14 JAE from KART (or the ACM, they're the exact same I owned both of them) with is extremely nice on both internal and external features.

Ok done. Hope it will help

Thank you Too

[Lord of Rebirth]

For the TM one anyone have the stock weight? Like anyone have a stock one they could actually weigh? I have this problem where things other people say are heavy don't bother me at all. Like I toss around 45 pound wine kits all day and I don't really "feel the burn" until the 9th hour....