ics sig552 opinions

[Brayden]

post them f you've had experiences this is for a friend

[Forever_kaos]

http://www.google.ca/#hl=en&source=h...8a02060688882f

Google has loads of opinions on it.
You should check the Review section.

[TaroBear]

Not a clone of TM or JG. Don't listen to people's opinions based on them. Battery fitting is a bitch unless you get a thin LiPo. The inside of the handguard is different from the standard 552. Nice metal. Bolt isn't held by anything, and can fall out and be put back in. Doesn't use TM, JG or GG SiG lowcaps because they're designed for MAG mags, which feeds in a different place.

[Brayden]

Originally Posted by Forever_kaos

http://www.google.ca/#hl=en&source=h...8a02060688882f

Google has loads of opinions on it.
You should check the Review section.

i want reliable people.

[DarkAngel]

You want reliable. Ok.

ICS 552 Has proprietary mags. Almost No major retailer sells the mags individually.
Metal is good quality, bolt catch isnt as smooth as Id like it.

Only 1-2 brands of low mah small batts can fit in em 95% of the minis will not fit.
Your pretty much stuck with the Twix sized lipos.

Cocking handle falls off very easily. I garuntee youll lose it on the field.

Internals are fairly solid
Much louder though in comparison to the TM Counterpart.

Not a detailed review, but enough to get the hint that I dont suggest it.

Tarobear is correct and as Im his gundoc for his ICS Sig552, I can confirm his claims.

[Schlyder]

G&G SIG 552 releases on May 5th.

[Brayden]

Originally Posted by DarkAngel

You want reliable. Ok.

ICS 552 Has proprietary mags. Almost No major retailer sells the mags individually.
Metal is good quality, bolt catch isnt as smooth as Id like it.

Only 1-2 brands of low mah small batts can fit in em 95% of the minis will not fit.
Your pretty much stuck with the Twix sized lipos.

Cocking handle falls off very easily. I garuntee youll lose it on the field.

Internals are fairly solid
Much louder though in comparison to the TM Counterpart.

Not a detailed review, but enough to get the hint that I dont suggest it.

Tarobear is correct and as Im his gundoc for his ICS Sig552, I can confirm his claims.

thx to both and my friend will not buy g&g

[DarkAngel]

If he wants to go the quality route.

TM Sig 552
Hurricane Body Kit.

You wont have the ICS functioning Bolt stop
And itll cost more, but itll be a far better gun in the long run.

[Schlyder]

Originally Posted by Brayden

thx to both and my friend will not buy g&g

this isn't the clear lowered, sportline level G&G, this is top quality. He has obviously not seen a G&G SIG550. As good a quality as it gets.

Originally Posted by DarkAngel

If he wants to go the quality route.

TM Sig 552
Hurricane Body Kit.

You wont have the ICS functioning Bolt stop
And itll cost more, but itll be a far better gun in the long run.

I have had a 552 with a Hurricane body. And it is hardly anywhere near the quality of the G&G SIG receiver, or the rest of the externals for that matter.

Look I am going to tell you guys this again...
I own a real steel civilian version of the SIG550 (Swiss Arms Black Special)
The G&G is as good a replica as you are ever going to see/get. The reciever is stamped steel like the real steel version.
All the externals feel as good and solid as the real steel.
It uses TM mags, and stock it shoots 390 - 400fps.
I have not had a problem with it, and the previous owner never had a problem with it. As far as I know that's at least 2 seasons with no issues, going into a 3rd. And it's a tack driver.

So if you are looking for quality SIGgy goodness, G&G is what you want.

Comparing a G&G SIG to a TM SIG55x, an ICS SIG55x, a JG SIG55x,
is like comparing Tiger Woods golf game to your Grandma's.

[DarkAngel]

Originally Posted by Schlyder

So if you are looking for quality SIGgy goodness, G&G is what you want.

Comparing a G&G SIG to a TM SIG55x, an ICS SIG55x, a JG SIG55x,
is like comparing Tiger Woods golf game to your Grandma's.

What basis are you making this claim with?
So far youve only stated that the receiver is stamped steel and it fits TM Mags. Have you ever dissassembled your gun before? Do you know the material composition of the internal components? Have you even done a solid comparison with the TM in terms of longevity? Im sorry, but so far, youve given me no more information than any youtube 14 year old.

While Ill admit I have not handled the G&G Sig 550 in person, I have handled many other G&G Products, both old and new. And of all the G&G Guns ive repaired, G&G has always been the biggest headaches, most prone to failiures and some of there parts and designs are propriatary. TM on the other hand, has proven itself repeatedly over the years to be very reliable, with very few Issues. The Hurricane Metal body is not the most realistic body, but rather it is the ONLY aftermarket metal body available.

Furthermore every clone shoots just under 400, that does not mean that it is superior, or better in every way. Judging a gun by its initial fps is pointless, as all they do is put a heavier spring in the box. They do not do reinforcement upgrades or anything different from TM, and paired together with inferior materials and tolerances for their parts, will often cause catastrophic faliures inside the box.

Im not disputing the looks of the G&G, I have never handled the realsteel, but I do know from experience that G&G has always been internally less than desireable to their TM Counterpart.

[Schlyder]

Yes I have had it apart, all except the mechbox, as it's going on at least the third season with no problems.

http://www.airsoftcanada.com/showthread.php?t=93112

there is the review thread.

"...While Ill admit I have not handled the G&G Sig 550 in person...

Well maybe you don't have any basis for comment then do you.

a review of the G&G SIG the ICS SIG and the KA 556
YouTube- AATV Video Review: SIG Triple Threat Match

* the negative about the pistol grip being small... well, it is exactly the same as the real steel ... the TM and JG pistol grips are larger than the real steel. Also the bipod functions exactly the same as on the real steel. The real steel doesn't lock either.*

there is also a review of the G&G vs ICS vs JG done by AATV which I can't find yet.

maybe some people like looking for/ or buying a new bolt handle?? or having stock wobbles... I prefer a reliable, solid built gun, of which the G&G SIG 550 is, and which the 552 should also be, as it is the same platform with only the shorter fore end.

I don't think I need to defend myself further....

[DarkAngel]

Originally Posted by Schlyder

Yes I have had it apart, all except the mechbox, as it's going on at least the third season with no problems.

http://www.airsoftcanada.com/showthread.php?t=93112

there is the review thread.

"...While Ill admit I have not handled the G&G Sig 550 in person...

Well maybe you don't have any basis for comment then do you.

My basis is from my Experience with G&Gs. Internally, they are the SAME v3 boxes and parts used in their AK Lineup. You have not even opened the box to check the wear/tear on the internals yet your making a claim that they are superior guns. You need to clarify, "Superior, in what way?".

If your asking what looks prettier, then thats an opinionative statement, with no imperical data. If your talking about internal quality, you need to elaborate that. From my Experience, many G&G boxes have had to be reshimmed, regreased and the cylinders deburred (as they slice up the piston head Oring). I have many clients who have brought me their G&G guns to fix, and swore them off completely after I showed them the difference between quality guns and clones.

I would also like you to elaborate on your experience with TM in terms of the comparison as you have made no imperical comparison other than "It looks better and shoots faster" to base your claim on. Have you any experience with the longevity of TM? Have you seen the internals of a TM box compared to a G&G box to compare durability and longevity?

Anyone can keep a working gun for [x] number of seasons. It all depends on how you treat/store your guns and how many rounds go through it. Sorry but by your logic, I could pick up a walmart gun and make it "outlast" a TM.

What Im trying to do is make you be more objective about your analysis. The point of a review is to convince me to purchase or stay away from a product with imperical data. So far, I think youve taken it personally. Lashing out is somewhat counterproductive. I have not been convinced by your review or your statements so far. Its your job as the reviewer to convince me otherwise.

Im very rarely impressed by clones. Often my justification is warrented. Ive handled over a 75 different models, varients and brands over the last year alone and I have a very objective point of view as I see first hand the difference between quality. Once in a while, I become very impressed with a clone, but its far and few. TM does not pay me to support them and I have no allegience with them. But so far, your arguments do not stand up to scruitiny. And that to me, is far more important than "It shoots 400 fps and it looks pretty."

[scurvythepirate]

Originally Posted by Schlyder

Yes I have had it apart, all except the mechbox, as it's going on at least the third season with no problems.

http://www.airsoftcanada.com/showthread.php?t=93112

there is the review thread.

"...While Ill admit I have not handled the G&G Sig 550 in person...

Well maybe you don't have any basis for comment then do you.

a review of the G&G SIG the ICS SIG and the KA 556
YouTube- AATV Video Review: SIG Triple Threat Match

* the negative about the pistol grip being small... well, it is exactly the same as the real steel ... the TM and JG pistol grips are larger than the real steel. Also the bipod functions exactly the same as on the real steel. The real steel doesn't lock either.*

there is also a review of the G&G vs ICS vs JG doen by AATV which I can't find yet.

maybe some people like looking for/ or buying a new bolt handle?? or having stock wobbles... I prefer a reliable, solid built gun, of which the G&G SIG 550 is, and which the 552 should also be, as it is the same platform with only the shorter fore end.

I don't think I need to defend myself further....

Yeah from the video the G&G seems to have less external problems than the KA or ICS.

[Schlyder]

First off, don't go putting words in my mouth.
Second, nowhere did I say the internals were superior to any other brands.
I said I have had no issues with the mechbox going into it's third season at least.

Round count by myself is about 10,000.
I don't know how many rounds the previous owner fired.

Nowhere did I say it shoots faster than any other brand, I never mentioned rate of fire anywhere.
And if you are refering to the FPS, I am only stating that is what it was chronied at last saturday.


Superior gun as far as build quality goes yes, I do claim that, as I have first hand experience with handling all the brands of SIG rifles. As well I have a real steel version to compare to side by side. (You can see the two together in the review thread.)

I am, and have only refered to the accuracy of the reproduction of features, the build quality of the externals, and quality of materials of the externals of the G&G SIG, in comparison to the TM SIG I have owned, and the JG SIG/w Hurricane body, I have owned. And an ICS SIG I have held. And the accuracy of detail, build quality, and quality of materials is better in the G&G than in the other brands. That is first hand knowledge.

I never compared internals of these models, because I never had a need to open the mechboxes. So I don't have personal experience to comment on the mechboxes, other than observed performance.
That is why there is no reference to internals. People can judge from other sources on internal parts.
My only comment I can make about the mechbox is, it has been problem free, and performs excellent. And I stick to that comment.

I have been objective, and have only stated my opinion on what I have experienced, and the research I have done. I expect people looking to buy a SIG rifle would also do a little bit of research on all the brands.
There are tons of photos and reviews on all brands of SIG rifles, and I have posted photos of the gun disassembled, just short of removing the mechbox and opening it up. ( Which seeing as it performs flawlessly, I see no need to.)

And it is well documented, if anyone does the research, the issues with the ICS SIGs, (some of these apply to the TM, JG, Hurricane, and crapsoft SIG rifles as well)
- Wobbles in stock and foregrip - (ICS, TM, JG) ------ G&G's is solid
- Bolt handle falls out (ICS) ------ G&G's locks in, and stays locked in
- Bolt handle doesn't go all the way back (ICS,TM, JG) ------ G&G's goes all the way back
- Bolt handle does not lock (ICS,TM,JG ) ------ G&G's Bolt handle locks back, and bolt release also functions
- Magazine compatability issues ----- Works with G&G mags, TM mags, and MAGbrand mags
- The materials for the buttstock, pistol grip, and foregrip, do not feel the same as real steel (this applies to TM, and JG, as well)
------ G&G's buttstock foregrip and pistol grip materials all feel the same as the
real steel, and correct size.
- ICS also has mechbox issues ------ as well as most brands.
- Issues with battery fitment

Overall plenty of issues with ICS, and as for the other brands(TM and JG) I don't need to mention plastic bodies.

Now let's look at G&G negatives...
- there are only partial trades on it. I can confirm it has only partial trades. (only an issue if you must have full trades)
- the purported bipod issue.... I addressed earlier.. the real steel doesn't lock either, they are identical in looks, and performance.
- The claims of poor internals... I have had no problems and performance is excellent.


I don't knock your experience, but I do knock your evaluation of the G&G SIG solely on the reviews of internal parts of other rifles.

I suggest you should have a closer look at one when you get an opportunity.
I think you will be geatly surprised, and impressed.

I would hardly say I am taking it personally, or that I am lashing out. I am only stating my opinion from MY experience with these particular rifles. I was not giving a full review of a G&G gun in an ICS gun thread. If someone wants a more in depth review they could ask, and I could point them to the info already posted, and not have to type a ton of redundant information.

You on the other hand have insulted me by comparing me to a 14 year old on Youtube. Commented and given recommendation against a rifle you have never handled, and then admonish me for my opinion. :roll eyes: If you want more detail all you have to do is ask. I don't always feel like typing a wall of text.


Sorry this got off topic about the ICS SIG 552, I only wanted to point out the G&G SIG552 was releasing in a week or so, and to have a look at it before making your purchase.
If anyone has any other questions about the G&G SIG I'd be happy to answer them.

[etd]

Time to add my two cents never owning an ics myselfor a g&g I will stick with the facts that I know first hand. First of al let's not compaire stock tm
parts to the ics or g&g parts as stock tm guns have low quality shit internals if you plan to add an m120 spring without any other upgrades (before I get flames... I said internals. Externals are lovely).

I can tell you this. You could spend $600 on an ics sig 552 but you will be crying after words. The battery issue is a big factor unless you want to run a peq box. Also ics guns tend to have parts specifically for ica guns and speaking from experience after market upgrades for them are a pain in the ass to modify the fit.

That being said until more info is released on the g&g sig 522 your only other option is a cyma 552 (don't buy the jg they are 99.9999% identical) as they are cheaper. Now I can tell you a place to buy one for $149.99 in canada, ordering online. That being said if you go full metal huang has a very nice front set he sells for $60 and cottoni sells hurricain metal bodys (yes I own one) for around $320. You now have the option of using tm
or MAG mags in the guns giving you access to low and mid caps. The cyma fires farily fast for a clone gun. You can fit a 10.8v 1500mah nimh battery in there from cheapbatterypacks packs.com (contact me for more info if you want the design specs).

The only major downside is before doing any internal upgrades to the gun you will need to replace the gearbox shell. It's not made to tm compatible specs with bushing sizes or cylinder head areas. Basically what I am getting at is a cyma could turn into a very nice
project gun but it will be more costly than the ics gun stand alone. Wait until we get so e reliabilty posts on the new g&g models if I would be in your shoes.