High Pressure air

[Guerrilla]

I saw on this forum a way to hook up tubing to a co2 canister like in paintball, now that I know how to do that i have a question.

Is there a way to hook up the airline to the internals of a GBB rifle not through the magazine? I would imagine that if you used an appropriate CP high pressure regulator you could essentially take the internals out of a gbb rifle, put them in a new body with the CP reg and then hook the cp reg to where the canister would usually match up.

Then you could use AEG clips on this new creation. Does anybody have any thoughts or suggestions for accomplishing this. Or if it is really this simple does anybody see any holes in the idea for the design?

HPA is way more consistent and works excellently in cold weather and doesnt cause cool down. If you run HPA through the internals at the right pressure it literally would eliminate the advantage that AEG's have over GBB's

[ILLusion]

Look up Classic Airsoft.

[R.I.T.Z]

look up daytona gun kit
its been done.
though the entire internal workings have been custom made, not just converted from a regular GBBR

[Gunny_McSmith]

RA-tech uses an external air linked to there WA m4 mag....

[Guerrilla]

Ok I am aware that both escort and daytona gun exist, i meant specifically about using stock GBB internals. If you can run CO2 through it, there is no reason you cant run HPA through it.

As a matter of fact in paintball, many of the high end guns that i own (Vice, ripper 3, ego9, angel ir3) all require high or low pressure air tanks because they are cleaner and more effecient, CO2 damages the internals

My man issue with the daytona gun is that the safety doesnt work and they are trying to make me buy their tank, well i have my own 200 dollar 4500 tank that will hold more shots and be smaller than the 3000 tank they are making me buy. plus I dont really want an ak I want to apply this system to a semi auto sniper rifle first.

[Saberwing]

If you have an air compressor, could you theoretically fill up GBBR mags with HPA? or would the pressure be to great

[ILLusion]

Originally Posted by Saberwing

If you have an air compressor, could you theoretically fill up GBBR mags with HPA? or would the pressure be to great

GBB mags are meant to handle 160psi... 180psi TOPS. That's for propane.

HPA tanks hold about.... 4,500psi. Hope you're wearing body armor when you try to fill that bad boy up. LOL

Secondly, because HPA doesn't go through a phase change like propane does (liquid to gas), and is only in gas form, you'll get maybe... 3 shots off before you're out of gas. That's assuming the magazine didn't blow up, or the bolt exploded out of the back of the buffer tube and embedded itself in your shoulder. The pressure would drop exponentially on each shot. For example, first shot would expel at 4,500 psi. Second shot, would have maybe 500psi left. And the final shot might have 10psi. If even that. More likely, all pressure would be expelled by 1 or 2 shots. It's the exact same as if you filled your GBB mag upside down so that only gas is going in to the mag.

The only reason why HPA external air rigs work, is because a regulator valve is put in line to control how much pressure goes to the magazine. You'll have a hard time finding the space to put a regulator between the magazine and the gun.


There was once a guy who decided to fill up a WE propane mag with a Madbull CO2 adapter. Full pressure 12g CO2 canisters are up to 850psi. Needless to say, the magazine exploded in his hands. Full shards of metal flying everywhere. He was lucky he was wearing gloves and had face protection on.

[r3npogi]

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[Boris the Blade]

Illusion DEFINITELY knows what he's talking about. And I'm not being sarcastic.

Make sure you let us know when your charging up your gbbr mags with liquid co2 and HPA, I want to be in a bunker underground somewhere.

[Amos]

Originally Posted by r3npogi

...but have you heard of WE co2 mags? they do hold liquid co2 and gas co2 as well, in hot weather they can pressurized up to 800psi but in low volume.

Have you?

A WE CO2 magazine runs off of a CO2 powerlet.

The gas is contained inside the powerlet, not inside the magazine walls.

[ILLusion]

Originally Posted by r3npogi

surely this guy doesn't know what he's talking about HPA tanks, HPA tanks holds 3000psi or 4500psi yes, but they don't expel 4500psi in a go, those tank have built in regulators and depending if it is low pressure (600-650psi) or high pressure (800-850psi), they are regulated between 600-850psi and they don't release all those psi as you might know, psi is pressure and tanks have capacity, 48 cu , 65cu and so on and so forth. 4500psi can give you more than 2000 shots @ 160 psi and velocity of more than 600fps on 0.2grams BBs. you might be thinking that 4500psi can only last you 29 shots at 160psi. :cheers:

Originally Posted by r3npogi

inline regulators and or stabilizer makes the psi output manageable and controllable. thus it is a mandatory gear if you want to run your rig via HPA system.

Might want to check your reading comprehension skills there. The quote you took from me was out of context. Thanks for parroting everything I said, though. It backs up my statement.

Originally Posted by r3npogi

putting unregulated co2 (temp dependant) gas into gas magazine will shatter it in pieces but have you heard of WE co2 mags? they do hold liquid co2 and gas co2 as well, in hot weather they can pressurized up to 800psi but in low volume. co2 magazines are sturdy enough to hold 800psi on pressurised air but a single shot will cause the poppet valve to release so much pressure that will destroy your bolt and the mag itself. plus the fact that gas mag are so unreliable that they always leak.

surely this guy doesn't know what he's talking about WE co2 mags and co2 in general.

First, WE CO2 mags are charged with a 12g powerlet that is inserted in to the magazine, just like with pellet guns. It's NOT charged in to the mags like we do with propane.

Secondly, these 12g powerlets are NOT in a liquid state as you might be so inclined to believe. It is still in a gaseous state. In order for CO2 to form in to its liquid state, you would need immense atmospheric pressure to cause the phase change. It is not just temperature that would cause it to change phases, like liquid>gas propane. Specifically, it must be at 5.2 atmospheres or higher. That kind of pressure would crush you like a tiny ant.

[Saberwing]

Okay, thanks for the enlightenment ILLUSION. Not too familiar with the different pressure ratings of compressed gasses. So what we GBBR owners need for winter is a way too hook up a remote line to our gun, and run a large tank on our vest...

[Gunny_McSmith]

what about mag change? you're gonna have to disconnect the air line and reconnect it each time you change mag...lol

if you want HPA airsoft.... either go Daytona Gun, or the new Polar Star Hpa mechbox

[Saberwing]

Originally Posted by Gunny_McSmith

what about mag change? you're gonna have to disconnect the air line and reconnect it each time you change mag...lol

if you want HPA airsoft.... either go Daytona Gun, or the new Polar Star Hpa mechbox

That's the problem... If you could fit the line up through the mag, and replace the internal workings with a highcap internals it could theoretically work... Not that I like high-caps...

[r3npogi]