WE Tech SCAR, open bolt GG vs AWSS CO2

[Batchokookies]

So I've heard a lot about the new open bolt system solving any problem you could think of and I've been waiting for the drop-in kit to come out, But I wanted to know from AWSS users (preferably CO2) who switched to the open bolt design if it was worth it. I saw a YouTube vid from WETTI answering questions from gasguns and they said something about the AWSS working perfectly with CO2. WE also said they would continue producion of the AWSS for law enforcement only since it ran better with CO2 than green gas in their open bolt. Right now I'm running propane, but I could easily switch to CO2 if it helps. So basically the question is which is more efficient/which handles better.

Keep in mind I have a Gen 3, so the stock plate is not an issue with CO2.

P.S. If I grab the open bolt kit when it comes out, does it require different mags than the AWSS?

Thanks in advance

[AngelusNex]

Not 100% on everything else but yes, the open bolt system requires slightly different mags, but there is also a $3 conversion you can buy for the mags you have to go to open bolt.

[Ross]

So people who own the we scar can open it up and plop an open bolt assembly kit into their gun, mod their magazines and done? Or is this only for law enforcement training?

[juicy]

I believe that is correct, Ross. From my listening to that interview or whatever the video clip, my understanding was:

The closed bolt system will remain in production and will only be available for purchase by LE.

To us, the general public/consumers, when the open bolt hits the market, that will be the only gas system from WE we can purchase (both the SCAR and M4/HK416 are going to be updated)... or something like that. Those with closed bolt SCAR's can purchase a conversion kit to update their own SCAR, as well as the magazine conversion kit.

[Ross]

well, hopefully it won't be too expensive. I just put a longer inner barrel into this thing. I bet it won't be compatible with it.

[snipersyntagmatik]

hey guys - i've literally spent the last hour or so looking thru this thread as i am in the midst of making my first GBBR acquisition this season --- does anyone suggest waiting for the release of the commercially available WE open bolt guns? or picking up a current closed bolt system and also getting the upgrade set from RA tech to cover the issues? cheers.

[snipersyntagmatik]

shiz! posted the above reply in the incorrect thread. corrected!

[ShelledPants]

Well, since the M4 open bolt isn't released yet, only time will tell. If you want the latest and greatest, I would get a factory open bolt... but that's just because it will have the latest version of everything, stock.

[Batchokookies]

Sorry to dig this thread back out, but are the RA-Tech upgrades a good alternative to the open bolt kit? Will they fix the same problems that the open bolt kit does?

[Eeyore]

Originally Posted by snipersyntagmatik

hey guys - i've literally spent the last hour or so looking thru this thread as i am in the midst of making my first GBBR acquisition this season --- does anyone suggest waiting for the release of the commercially available WE open bolt guns? or picking up a current closed bolt system and also getting the upgrade set from RA tech to cover the issues? cheers.

Well currenty retailers have closed bolt systems in stock, those will not magically disapear with the release of the open bolt system. Unless you are in a huge hurry to buy a WE why not wait the few weeks? That way you'll be able to read a few reviews a better decide which is the right product for you.

[Ross]

Originally Posted by Batchokookies

Sorry to dig this thread back out, but are the RA-Tech upgrades a good alternative to the open bolt kit? Will they fix the same problems that the open bolt kit does?

The big issue with this gun is the hop up design. It just flat out doesn't work like it should. Ra-tech's upgrades will fix a lot of things. Especially in the trigger assembly. If you buy the npas and one of ra-tech's precision barrels, you have to mod the npas with sand paper to get it to fire. The Ra-tech stinger hop ups aren't much of an improvement. I've bought 4 of them. It's probably as good as it's going to get, but it's still garbage compared to any other hop up design.
The open bolt kit gives you the same hop up that is found in gbb pistols. They work, and it's that's worth it. Considering the 80 dollar investment gives you a whole new trigger assembly, it's a good price.

[snipersyntagmatik]

Originally Posted by Ross

The big issue with this gun is the hop up design. It just flat out doesn't work like it should. Ra-tech's upgrades will fix a lot of things. Especially in the trigger assembly. If you buy the npas and one of ra-tech's precision barrels, you have to mod the npas with sand paper to get it to fire. The Ra-tech stinger hop ups aren't much of an improvement. I've bought 4 of them. It's probably as good as it's going to get, but it's still garbage compared to any other hop up design.
The open bolt kit gives you the same hop up that is found in gbb pistols. They work, and it's that's worth it. Considering the 80 dollar investment gives you a whole new trigger assembly, it's a good price.

given that WE has released the open bolt drop in kit for the SCAR recently, do you think this will increase the overall reliability of the gun? some threads even on gasguns.info recommend the SCAR over the M4 as a more robust platform when jumping into the GBBR world for the first time. i don't mind getting my hands dirty but i'd like to invest in a sturdy platform with good reliability.

[Ross]

I have no experience with the we m4. But I do know that the internals are pretty much the same. Same brass tube design, same valve, same hop up. It just has a completely different body structure. I think the barrel is a little longer too by default. The reason why I chose the scar over the m4 is purely cosmetics. I like the rails all over it and I even like the look of the boot stock that everyone hates lol. I don't know why gasguns.info said that the scar is more robust than the m4. It's almost the same gun.

I do believe the scar will function much more consistently with the open bolt kit. And so will the m4 when they release the open bolt kit for that too. However the trigger assembly stuff will still probably break over time.

If your looking for more reliability right now. I suggest the Kjw m4. But I'd still take my we scar over that gun because I put a lot of time into this bucket of bolts and I want to see this thing perform great one day.

[Greydingoe]

From my experience the open bolt has been reliable and accurate. At first I purchased the we pdw closed bolt and immediately experienced double feeding issues, horrible accuracy and poor hop up adjustments. After purchasing the open bolt kit all of my issues went away.

As for power there is a video from RA tech stating that the open bolt kit increased the scar's fps by 100 fps. I think it is outrageous that they claim 100 fps but I will say that there is a fps increase. I've tested this theory myself with a closed bolt scar and my open bolt pdw. The scar with .25g bb's was chronoing an average 380 fps while my open bolt pdw with .25g bb's was chronoing an average 430 fps (15 degree's celcius)

[Ross]

music to my ears