noobie questions on kjw and we m4 platforms (gbbr)

[NightJoker]

hi , been looking through the forums for hours ( perhaps not long enough ? ) , and cant find the info's i needed exactly.

its some sort of debate between the 2 platforms, im trying not to make it sound like a xxx vs xxx thread , but airsoft dont come by as easy in my place as of now , so im trying not to screw up my first gbbr and end up being a wallhanger anytime too soon.

1. ok, so far im leaning towards kjw m4 because its said to be a better ootb m4, with that said it doesnt need alot of mods or upgrades ( from what i've seen in forums / comments in the past week ) , when compared to we m4/hk416 ( correct me if im wrong ) .
2. and secondly the WE mags are said to have a higher chance of leaking ( perhaps due to poor maintenance? i rmb seeing this somewhere, cant rmb for now ) , is this true ? Because if its only due to poor maintenance wise , i can rule this out when i do my own comparison.

3. Oh and to addon, what type of 1 point sling mounts can i equip on the kjw m4 and the we m4/hk416 ?
3-a. i've read that the kjw buffer tube being one of size, so it needs some modifications to be done to fit a sling mount where the buffer meets the receiver.
3-b. what about the WE platform ? are their buffer compatible with the so-called ,commercial / retractable m4 stock ? or is there a certain modding like kjw ones.

thank you for ur time and sorry if i offended any of u guys in any ways possible.

[L473ncy]

From what I understand about the WE mags leaking, it's actually moreso a design flaw from the factory more than anything. If you're handy with fixing things and are so mechanically inclined all it takes is to take apart the mag and apply some sort of sealant (I've seen people use polymer engine sealant that's safe for rubber supposedly) to the square O-ring thing or something like that and it shouldn't leak ever again.

As for the KJW, the only gripe that I've heard people saying is the "rubber band" that sometimes snaps. It's a design issue but I don't know why it's there or what function it serves. I don't even know if you can replace it with something made of better rubber or anything. But other than that it seems like the KJW is probably the best platform if you want low maintenance and good performance OOTB.

[m102404]

Originally Posted by NightJoker

hi , been looking through the forums for hours ( perhaps not long enough ? ) , and cant find the info's i needed exactly.

its some sort of debate between the 2 platforms, im trying not to make it sound like a xxx vs xxx thread , but airsoft dont come by as easy in my place as of now , so im trying not to screw up my first gbbr and end up being a wallhanger anytime too soon.

1. ok, so far im leaning towards kjw m4 because its said to be a better ootb m4, with that said it doesnt need alot of mods or upgrades ( from what i've seen in forums / comments in the past week ) , when compared to we m4/hk416 ( correct me if im wrong ) .
2. and secondly the WE mags are said to have a higher chance of leaking ( perhaps due to poor maintenance? i rmb seeing this somewhere, cant rmb for now ) , is this true ? Because if its only due to poor maintenance wise , i can rule this out when i do my own comparison.

3. Oh and to addon, what type of 1 point sling mounts can i equip on the kjw m4 and the we m4/hk416 ?
3-a. i've read that the kjw buffer tube being one of size, so it needs some modifications to be done to fit a sling mount where the buffer meets the receiver.
3-b. what about the WE platform ? are their buffer compatible with the so-called ,commercial / retractable m4 stock ? or is there a certain modding like kjw ones.

thank you for ur time and sorry if i offended any of u guys in any ways possible.

...my comments are related to the WE system...

1. Mixed reports....some guys run them stock with no issues, others seem to "need" every fix under the sun just to keep them shooting. There have been several "generations" of these now...be sure to filter out info for the more recent generations. There A LOT of info already compiled on these things...a lot of it is "old" info though.

Myself...I have no hesitation in picking up a WE Gen 4 Open Bolt rifle. Rifle to rifle they've been markedly consistent in build quality.

2. True. Inherent design flaw. Well documented fix...depends on what it's worth to you (i.e. balance off other pros/cons). NOTE...the new VN style 20rnd mags look near bomb proof.

3. Re. WE...LOTS of real steel and airsoft parts fit no-probs.

Additional notes:
* resealing a mag costs about $10/tube of sealant....about 10min/mag (clean/prep/seal)...and 24hrs of waiting for the sealant to set. Then they are essentially done permanently.

* game what your buddies game...if they're shooting KJW then you should too...if they're shooting WE then you should too...same for Magna systems, etc... Trading off mags, parts, help, etc...go a long, long way.

* have a reliable way of adjusting FPS if your fields require that. The NPAS system for the WE's works.

* if you're going to mod the gun with different grips/rails/stocks/etc/etc/etc and field it....I'd go WE for parts compatibility.

[NightJoker]

oh , the current WE m4/hk416 is gen. 4 ? i thought it was a 3

and m102404, i would assume u got a hands on on the latest WE m4/hk416 variants ? if so, mind confirming about the internal qualities as well ?
im aware of the RA tech steel trigger , bolt , etc etc ( upgrade / replacement ) , but i wana know stock wise, from you personally, good or bad

[ThunderCactus]

Get the WE open bolt system, it's literally 2 moving parts.
Upgrade the hop rubber and you have a real good platform.

But the KJ's are really awesome internally too, but you have to deal with their damn waffle mags

[m102404]

Originally Posted by NightJoker

oh , the current WE m4/hk416 is gen. 4 ? i thought it was a 3

and m102404, i would assume u got a hands on on the latest WE m4/hk416 variants ? if so, mind confirming about the internal qualities as well ?
im aware of the RA tech steel trigger , bolt , etc etc ( upgrade / replacement ) , but i wana know stock wise, from you personally, good or bad

I lost track really...I call the current stock, out of the box Open Bolt M4 the 4th Gen.

I'm not sure how many gen's of the 416 they made though. Solid builds though...very nice. All the current rage with the Osama-killers.

Re. the internals of the current M4 series...the main part that broke way back when was beefed up and put in stock a gen ago, and is kept in the current gen.

Some guys have said that the hammer roller seizes up...

I've had the pin of a striker fall out...I just replaced it with another pin and glued it in place.

NONE of the guys I know have broken hammers/knockers/safeties with regular-aggressive use.

All in all...I'd rate the out of the box internals very sufficient.

Re. the open bolt specifically...the hopup rubber/inner barrel is very loose in the chamber. A quick easy fix is to put three wrappings of thin plumbers tape around the inner where the hopup chamber grabs it and it'll snug it right up. Using a small o-ring to wedge around/inbetween the inner and the outer barrel does most awesome things for accuracy as well.

[NightJoker]

Honestly thanks for all the response.

I guess now I'm back to the drawing board, more readings, finalize on the platforms, and more newbie question's ( hope not, haha! ) .

Hoping you guys could guide me through this, again thanks

[NightJoker]

Can this fit on the buffer tube's of KJW m4 and WE open bolt m4/hk416 ?

http://shop.ehobbyasia.com/combat-ge...ng-swivel.html

thanks

[MaybeStopCalling]

I guess it could, but for that price you could actually buy real steel stuff for less that you know will work. I bought a Daniel Defense Sling Attachment Point from Brownells for 23 bucks... the GBBR Magpul PTS ASAP is about 30 dollars, and it's in country...

[m102404]

It'll fit the WE...not sure about the KJ