Shooting Glasses and Sealing Goggle

[Trev140_0]

This thread is in regards safety goggles (ESS) vs the typical shooting glasses.

My quuestion is why are there some games on that allow typical saefty glasses/shooting glasses and other are ESS or Paintball only.

I have seen as many have the huge games going on, in Europe and some here, but wondering why some are and some arent.

I personally would like to have games without the ESS and or Paintball for obvious vision obstruction reduction, but was wondering if anyone knows why those games are ok to have that?

I dont want this to turn into a negative posting, so please guys I am only trying to figure out if this is like this for reasons like:

Rules are not to shoot closer than 30ft?
Certain FPS limit?

More or less curious--thats all.

Thanks,

Trev

[Short Round]

Don't get a full seal with most shooting glasses. I've played games where someone was shot in the face and a bb ended up getting under the glasses. So fields don't allow them to be used for safety and insurance reasons.

[Brian McIlmoyle]

typically you will see paintball goggles required at paintball fields.

It's an insurance thing

At my indoor facility I require full seal goggles.. because we engage at 0 feet and employ grenades.. that spray bbs at weird angles.

At outdoor fields at games that I run.. any Ballistic eyewear is approved. It's your eyes.

all in all it comes down to the regulations in play at the venue

Informed consent provides some measure of protection against litigation.. but regulations in play must indicate a reasonable and appropriate caution on the part of the venue owner and Host.

[coach]

Originally Posted by Brian McIlmoyle

typically you will see paintball goggles required at paintball fields.

It's an insurance thing

plus it because you could be sharing the field with paintballers. but like Brian said, it's their insurance so they follow the rules set out by the insurance company.

[Trev140_0]

Interesting stuff. Personally I would like nothing more than to have games with typical ballistic goggles. Not necessarily sealing.

Those games out West and at Sterling look to be a great example.

I thought it also had to do with these games shooting lower FPS.

[Trev140_0]

Originally Posted by coachster

plus it because you could be sharing the field with paintballers. but like Brian said, it's their insurance so they follow the rules set out by the insurance company.

We have the upper hand on that where we play, cause we basically take the whole place over.

Going to look into this a bit more now.....

[wildcard]

Originally Posted by Trev140_0

Interesting stuff. Personally I would like nothing more than to have games with typical ballistic goggles. Not necessarily sealing.

Those games out West and at Sterling look to be a great example.

I thought it also had to do with these games shooting lower FPS.

just have to be carefull as some of teh revisions and ESS get cloned, some are quite good but others are very risky. I managed to completely destroyed one at 10ft shooting distance with a .25 with my M90 powered PTW (330fps w/.20) the mesh goggles get destroyed with red cylinder at the same distance.

[Brian McIlmoyle]

Originally Posted by Trev140_0

Interesting stuff. Personally I would like nothing more than to have games with typical ballistic goggles. Not necessarily sealing.

Those games out West and at Sterling look to be a great example.

I thought it also had to do with these games shooting lower FPS.

I generally take 2-3 different sets of Eyepro to games.

Full face full seal

Low profile full seal

and shooting glasses.

Depending on what I am doing I will put on what's appropriate for the risk environment.

Full seal full face for close assault and CQB

Full seal low profile for outdoor patroling .. general play

shooting glasses, for on field hosting duties and Command.

This decision should not be made on aesthetics.. it is about risk tolerance.

Guys who wear shooting glasses in CQB are seeking blindness

[Trev140_0]

Well, it looks like we have our clarification. We can use Balistic style glasses so long as they are wrap around, and either csa and or ANSI stamped.

We just need to have a no less than 10 foot engagement rule and of course face protection And where we play, and how we play, that is rare for sure.


Thanks for the help!


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[wildcard]

Originally Posted by Trev140_0

Well, it looks like we have our clarification. We can use Balistic style glasses so long as they are wrap around, and either csa and or ANSI stamped.

We just need to have a no less than 10 foot engagement rule and of course face protection And where we play, and how we play, that is rare for sure.


Thanks for the help!


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Like i said just be aware that there are fake certification glasses too the real easy way of telling the fake ones is by making sure the certification numbers are not a sticker on the lens, the revision and ESS are actually engraved into the lens

[Brian McIlmoyle]

Originally Posted by wildcard

Like i said just be aware that there are fake certification glasses too the real easy way of telling the fake ones is by making sure the certification numbers are not a sticker on the lens, the revision and ESS are actually engraved into the lens

Still no guarantee I have seen repro goggles with ANZI and a few numbers in raised characters on the lens..designed clearly to fool you to believing it is ballistic rated.

Buy eye protection ONLY from known legitimate sources.

I have seen what looks like good quality glasses get dimpled and shed fibers in the inside from even low velocity impacts.

[Curo]

When buying buyer beware is it says ESS 'style' its not ESS it is chinacrap.

Real Ballistic googles do not cost 30 ish bucks.

[Trev140_0]

I have a brand new pair of Northwood CSA high impact T81005.

They are going to recieve a burst of fire 5 feet away with an M4 chrono'ed at 420 FPS with .20

Will post the pics tomorrow....

[Trev140_0]

Was going to shoot tonight, but found this instead.

Video of a pair of safety glasses being shot at by a .177 pellet gun shooting at 600 FPS.

Followed by a pointed pellet shooting at 800FPS

Amazing Safety Glasses -TEST (High Speed Camera) - YouTube

Self explainatory

[coach]

Originally Posted by Trev140_0

I have a brand new pair of Northwood CSA high impact T81005.

They are going to recieve a burst of fire 5 feet away with an M4 chrono'ed at 420 FPS with .20

Will post the pics tomorrow....

Where are you from? What fields do you play at?