bioshot bbs

[Hectic]

So ill post a quick review here of the biosbot bbs that airsoftstore.ca has started stocking.
I got a bag of 30 and a bag of 32. 4000 rounds per bag
Intitial impressions.
The packaging is nice black bag outside silver inside to keep out the UV zip loc top to keep out the moisture.
Whats inside.
BB's....okay seriously tho they are nice looking. They are smooth n shiny almost as shiny as madbull percision grade bbs Or bbbastards nice n white not yellow like most bios (they do have a bit of a different smell tho)
They taste different too... Lol jk clearly labled to not put em in your mouth.
So far i have fired off a cpl hundred rounds of the 32's they fly nice (with the short 50ft range i have) i cranked uo the hop and the 32's get noticeable lift from my mp5k m4 and akm so gettin em tuned in at real ranges should be easy enough.
Aside from an issue with my akm jamming (not related to the bbs i swapped the hop up and they feed fine in there now)
I think they will prove to be some nice bbs and its good to have some bio bbs over 28 for those places that require use of bios as i always run 30's and hate having to run 28s when i need to use bios.
Now i have up to 32 in bio and i will see how they perform at range this weekend and report back.
I should also not that the comparison to the polish on madbull and bastards is to REGULAR BBS NOT BIOS.
Other folks feel free to post your findings here to avoid mutiple threads on the same product this way everything will be in one easy to find spot. (hopefully i didnt miss an existing thread lol)

[Ricochet]

I'm an avid BB Bastard user and supporter, but I've been looking for heavy weight bios of a good grade for a long time. I'd love to hear more about them; especially used in more dynamic platforms.

Systema PTW
Marui VSR (fully upgraded)
LMGs

If anyone gets a chance to run these thoroughly through any of these platforms please post your findings along with Hectic's.

[iKliiu]

The only issue with Bioshots is that sometimes they misfeed in mid caps.

[Deadpool]

Originally Posted by iKliiu

The only issue with Bioshots is that sometimes they misfeed in mid caps.

What brand and model of midcaps are you using?

[Hectic]

Ricochet i think the 32's are gonna be too light still for an upgraded bolt action. I run 40 or at a minimum 36 in my vsr full laylax at 500fps anything lighter then that overhops like crazy. I will run a cpl mags through to see how the extra 02 of the 32's works but i think they will still be too ligh seein as 36's are ran with the hop off or at 1click depending on temrature.

As far as jamming in mags. I could see some mags jamming i mean even 30's jam in some midcaps when its cold out snd 32 will likely be a lil bigger so they may ne a tight fit but the 6 mags i ran had no issues. They wer 2 cyma mp5 mags 2 mag brand 1m4 1 m16vn and 2 ak 47 mags 1gandp waffle mag 1 lct mag

I too have been an avid bastard user till recently i went to madbull cause i couldnt get bastards above 25 and all my aeg need 30 to run good without overhop so ive used 4 or 5 bags of madbull only reason i went to the bioshot is because the one field i play at is bio only and runnin the 28 madbull was a pain for my guns as they still overhop them even in the cold lol

[Ricochet]

We've had really bad experiences with Madbull's ourselves. BB Bastards are the best we've used, but they do get backed up; that's why we order a crate or two every year. Another solid choice is Green Devil's, which are available through Bent Barrel. They have bio in up to a 0.30g.

Damn, I was hoping these new BBs would have a 0.36, or even a 0.40.

[Stealth]

In every magazine that I have on hand, I've been able to feed them without issue. I'll let others chime in on that note. I use solely TM and Magpul PTS 120rd magazines.

0.32g are the heaviest weight that they currently have. 0.36g are in the works but no ETA yet.

Without a doubt 0.28g should be the minimum outdoor weight, especially when using newer hop-up technologies such as PDI W-Hold, Flat Hop, and RHop. Price used to be the biggest factor, but i hope we have thrown that out the window. My stash of 0.25gs are now used for the chrony and testing.

John

[K3vX]

Originally Posted by Stealth

Without a doubt 0.28g should be the minimum outdoor weight, especially when using newer hop-up technologies such as PDI W-Hold, Flat Hop, and RHop.

Since I'm just starting, I've been recommended .25 by some people, but I guess I'll try .28 before I do a mass order at BBBastard like I planned to.

Anyway, is it also true for pistol (secondary) used outdoor, to use minimum .28?

[Hectic]

Originally Posted by K3vX

Since I'm just starting, I've been recommended .25 by some people, but I guess I'll try .28 before I do a mass order at BBBastard like I planned to.

Anyway, is it also true for pistol (secondary) used outdoor, to use minimum .28?

look at it like this outdoor above 350fps use .28-.32 choosing what ones work best (ie what ones you gun can hop efficiently without having to turn it all the way up causing jams and such.

That being said gas guns act a lil diferently then spring piston guns and useually benifate from heavier weights.
I use .30 in all my pistols and rifles (now ill be using .32 after some more testing in the rest of my guns to insure my pistols can hop them enough for it to be viable)

.20 are for chrony testing and low power guns (like up to 280 fps and even then .25's are beter at that power)
.28 are a minimum for todays "higher powered" guns IE from 340-500fps but .30 works best and now that the .32 are available locally im sure alot of folks will be switching to them.
450 and higher (ie spring bolt acion sniper rifles) .36-.43 and higher depending on the gun.

Dont get me wrong .25's are fine but you can get better acuracy with heavier weights provided your gun has the velocity and hop up ability to run them effectively.
my 400ish fps guns can all achieve 250ft plus with .30 on a prety flat trajectory if i give em a bit of a hump to the flight path with a lil extra hop itll get out to 300ft plus but by the there isnt enough energy to be practical or effective so i stick with a flat 250ft effective range and thats good enough for an aeg in my books.
with the 500fps bolt action im good to 375ft plus with .36 or .40 on an almost flat flight (small hump between 150-200ft then it levles out and starts to drop having to aim above target about 1ft at 350 feet and carrying enough energy for called hits at that range and greater but becoming less effective the higher you have to aim above the target for obvious reasons)

Ricochet you had issues with madbulls? What madbulls' they have a few different "lines" of BB's "match grade" "precission grade" (5.95+/-.01mm) and their bios. I didnt like the bios at all havent tryed the low grade ones but teh precission grade ive had no issues in the bags ive used

Stealth, if you can get the .36 or .40 bioshots thatll be awesome but ive hunted and contacted the manufacturer and they say the are out of production?

[coach]

It's really up to you and the performance of your guns.

If your gun shoot <350fps, can you deal with your heavier BB traveling slower? So much slower that people may have time to dodge your shots if they catch a glimpse of it I'm time?

In most cases I use .25's in all rifles except my RPK which tends to like .28's.

Pistols, it just depends on what I am running but typically .25/.28 and sometimes .3

[K3vX]

That's a nice guideline, Hectic.

Coach: Wait, heavier in the pistol? I guess since they are used closer than a rifle, you need precision, not speed.

Edit, anyway, my FPS is not optimal in my rifle, and the hop-up is stock. I'll keep .25 in it until I gain more experience. For now, it won't matter.

[lurkingknight]

50 fps is not going to make or break a kill... if it's coming down to that you can adjust your play style to negate that difference.


The only testing I've done in the rain at the end of last season (and I think I've mentioned it previously, but I'll put it here so it's easier to find with the rest of the reviews)

.28s in a tm p90 fed fine at 30RPS. Though they were a bit sticky to try and get into the mag to full.

.3s seemed to not feed as well and they were just as sticky to load

.32s might have been slightly better than the .3s but it might have just been me.

The conditions were cold (october/november) and pouring rain.

[Hectic]

Originally Posted by K3vX

That's a nice guideline, Hectic.

Coach: Wait, heavier in the pistol? I guess since they are used closer than a rifle, you need precision, not speed.

Edit, anyway, my FPS is not optimal in my rifle, and the hop-up is stock. I'll keep .25 in it until I gain more experience. For now, it won't matter.

Heavier in the pistols not only for the reasons you said but because gas guns act differently. In most cases a gas gun will increae in energy as the weight goes up (not fps but joules) because the gas will continue to be expeled untill the bb exits the barrel and because of that more gas will be used for heavier bbs on to of the the gas behind the bb (even if its the same ammount) will expand more to move the heavier round and thus impart more kenetic energy into the bb the a spring piston gun firing the same velocity.
Bottom line gas guns love heavy rounds (provided they have good enough hop up for it) i run 30's in my pistols too yes i gotts really crsnk up the hop up but my sub 400 fps m9 has about the same rsnge as my 400fps m4 does just the groupings are a lil bigger due to the short barrel and the blowback. However the pistol packs a bigger punch out at longer ranges

[wind_comm]

I ordered 3 bags of .32s and I'm going to sacrifice one ( ) into my box trap to see how they feed.

update:
after some brief testing (~1000 rounds each type) in my field & cqb rifles (400-420 fps & 310 fps respectively) with several different types of mags (1 MAG 190rd, 1 modded MAG 190rd, 1 Dboys 120rd PDW, 1 Cyma 190rd, 1 JG hicap). neither rifle has proven to be particularly picky about ammo though.

also my KJ 226 (1 KJ mag and 1 Marui mag) and my KJ MEU (1 KJ mag) for variety and giggles.

I cracked 1 bag of my newly received Bioshot .32s, and 1 bottle of unopened Elite Force .32s. I would like to note that the Bioshots had a light odour to them, where as the EFs didn't. not terribad by any means, not nearly as bad as propane.

the bioshots fed fantastically. I'd say over 95% of them (including the last 2-4 rounds that just don't feed out of mags ever) in both AEGs from all the mags. fed perfectly out of my pistols as well, but those rarely jam.

the EFs fed decently. I had several rounds refuse to fire from both rifles. I'd say 85-90% shot well.

testing was cut short due to time (...gotta eat eventually...) and a broken trigger wire in my field gun ( =.= )

I whipped out the wrong mag at first (had one loaded with .2s to chrono) and was quite confused for a second when my cqb rifle clocked in at 145 fps. d'oh.

other than that, I'd just like to note again that both rifles and pistols have been quite cooperative as far as ammo goes, so YMMV. some users can't get Bioshots to feed in their rifles at all, but it seems fine for me. my rifles have reacted well to bastards, madbulls, EFs and now bioshots. the rifles also don't misfeed and chop ammo like PTWs do as a result of significant fine tuning, so somebody else will have to chime in on that front.

end conclusion: I'm super happy with the Bioshots. I'm not a tree-hugger by any means, but I'd always wanted to use degradable ammo. I mean, why harm the environment (soil quality and any animals that may be about) if you don't have to?
a blurb about bio ammo aside, I am slightly annoyed now that I've cracked open the bag/bottle, it means I'll actually have to go and play this summer. AGH. THE SUNLIGHT. IT BURNS MY NERDY PALE SKIN.

dear stealth: moar pls. =)

[Scarecrow]

Hectic, what was your total cost including shipping and exchange rate?