how to increase the hop up effect (GLOCK 17 MARUI)

[GHOST-FACE]

hello everyone here is a little contribution, I had a problem with my hop up chamber, even set up to max the BB's fell too fast, I did a little tutorial for the person who might have the same problem, now the BB's goes far and straight.

note: sorry for my poor english


here my hop up chamber set to the max, there is just a little hop up effect.



you just need a cutter and an old bic pen (the tube which contains the ink of the pen)


place the tube under the lever and cut to proper size




Cut in two the small part



placing half between the lever and the rubber




and now my hop up chamber with modification set to the max, there is a big difference



and voila ........

[Wli]

That's awesome, it's almost like R-Hopping your pistol.

[ThunderCactus]

It's nothing even remotely similar to Rhopping a pistol. I would know because I Rhopped my USP compact. Extremely not worth the effort.

Excellent mod though, good work

[Wli]

No, the plastic piece he cut out just reminded me of the rhop piece you'd fit into the aeg barrels. Although why was it not worth the effort to Rhop your pistol?

[ThunderCactus]

well if I did it for anyone else, I'd have to charge no less than $90 for the amount of effort involved and the range/accuracy increases are just so damn minimal over a conventional V notched hop rubber

[Azathoth]

Originally Posted by Wli

No, the plastic piece he cut out just reminded me of the rhop piece you'd fit into the aeg barrels. Although why was it not worth the effort to Rhop your pistol?

It takes 30-90 minutes to get the rhop patch to fit the GBB barrel. then hours to sand it to the correct weight BB/ energy of the pistol. The GBB pistol barrel design makes it very difficult to stabilize a patch on it because it's open at the back end.

[phloudernow]

not that new tbh ive seen this mod on here before actually when i encountered this problem in my WE Glock. however i have had no problems with this for my Marui Glock....so im surprised OP had it on his marui glock. however this works pretty well!!

[HKGhost]

Nice mod OP.

I stopped offering r-hop installs as it's just not worth the time and effort. Rhops are a waste of time.

[GBBR]

I just bend the metal arm a little bit, however this seems like a much more cleaner way to do it!

[Sequential]

I've done this on my hi-capa and encountered too much hop-up, the bb's just kept flying too high esp. when using .25g. Bending the arm a little bit can allow for more hop, but if you bend it too much it will make the hop-up pressure slanted and un-even.

[Stealth]

What weight rounds are you using to have to lift ammo that much?

A stock Marui hop rubber or PDI W-Hold can comfortably lift ammo up to .28g

[lurkingknight]

I was shooting .3s and .32s out of my 5-7 with the stock rubber.

[ThunderCactus]

Originally Posted by HKGhost

Nice mod OP.

I stopped offering r-hop installs as it's just not worth the time and effort. Rhops are a waste of time.

We determined from the rhop project that its people that are the performance issue.
Everyone uses .28s with a firefly or pdi rubber, then upgrade to rhop, but still use .28s. Then of course you wont see much gain lol
You get a flatter trajectory but you dont see real gains until you start using heavier ammo. The whole point of the rhop is to allow you to run heavier ammo than you'd normally be able to lift. If you're using the same ammo you were before then yeah its a waste. Either way you still only gain 10-20ft, but with more accuracy ( due to heavier ammo ).
The rhop got hyped up by idiots who went from a shitty stock barrel group to an rhopped pdi barrel and assumed the rhop alone gave them an extra 200' of range.

[Stealth]

Originally Posted by ThunderCactus

We determined from the rhop project that its people that are the performance issue.
Everyone uses .28s with a firefly or pdi rubber, then upgrade to rhop, but still use .28s. Then of course you wont see much gain lol
You get a flatter trajectory but you dont see real gains until you start using heavier ammo. The whole point of the rhop is to allow you to run heavier ammo than you'd normally be able to lift. If you're using the same ammo you were before then yeah its a waste. Either way you still only gain 10-20ft, but with more accuracy ( due to heavier ammo ).
The rhop got hyped up by idiots who went from a shitty stock barrel group to an rhopped pdi barrel and assumed the rhop alone gave them an extra 200' of range.

This post pretty much nailed it. I've always maintained that if you are moving from a high-performance barrel group, going to R-hop isn't going give you astronimcally better results. Curiously though, the R-hop has the effect that it can lift rounds to the moon, but where the rounds ultimately land is fairly consistent, so if you like to get every possible ounce of distance with your setup and mortar the shit out of your target, then the R-hop's good for that too.

That having been said, it's still currently the pinnacle of AEG hop technology. (well, except maybe prototype stuff that we're testing out...)

[lurkingknight]

r-hop is the last link in the chain.. you can't just throw it in and expect 100% of the benefit when you have fps swings of +/-20fps.

Someone posted a video of a HPA rigged BASR shooting bastard .28s at 125ft having a wickedly inconsistent grouping and I commented on it saying that it's an inconclusive test if he doesn't compare the performance to another ammo, and that for .28s the performance on a BASR on a bipod running something as consistent as HPA was shooting worse than my kwa pistol.

You could have the world's nicest, most consistent ammo but it means fuck all if the power delivery range is as wide as an elephant's ass shooting through a barrel that has a bore that's as straight as a politician's spine.