"G36V" DMR Project

[bryanman]

Hey, so I've decided to make my stock ARES G36V into a DMR for my collection

Right now it's completely stock and I've found that it doesn't have very good range, and the accuracy is kind of meh.

I was thinking of putting these into it:

VS M130 Anti Fatigue Spring (410-430 fps)

SKS High Precision TBB (550mm long, 6.02 diameter)

Modify Flat bucking for 0.25 and above

The spring and the barrel seem good to me, I just can't make up my mind about the hop-up bucking...Should I go with the Modify, or should I somehow find a flathop?

Link:http://airsoftdepot.ca/catalog/produ...oducts_id=2456

I feel like the flat nub would act like a flathop, but I'm not sure.

Other than that, the internals seem pretty good, CNC gears, polycarb piston (I believe), etc. May add sorbos, but don't want to take it apart right now, its new

Thanks!

[tomsoderman]

550mm is too long you need 509 ish unless you dont mind sticking out the end

[Jaco14]

550mm is way too long you'd need a bore up kit to compensate for the extra volume in the barrel otherwise your accuracy will suffer

[pestobanana]

Originally Posted by Jaco14

550mm is way too long you'd need a bore up kit to compensate for the extra volume in the barrel otherwise your accuracy will suffer

Not true, I run a 550mm setup with a standard cylinder and sorbo pad.

[pestobanana]

Never heard of SKS barrels, can't give you feedback. Modify flat hop is a flat hop... Hence the name... But you'd be better off getting someone to R-hop your gun or get yourself 95% of the way there by installing a bridge hop setup.

As for the gun itself, you should look into redoing the mechbox. Last I saw none of the gears were CNCed, they were all sintered. The polycarbonate piston is crap, as is the piston head and the resultant air seal. The nozzle is also garbage, there isn't an internal O ring. The cylinder head isn't good, but it can be used.

As for FPS, if your air seal is any good you should be able to reach your FPS goals with a M120.

[Hectic]

in my use i have found the flat hop and the promy bridge to be prety close (the promy just a touch better in the same gun i assume due to the notch keepin the bb more centred in the barrel then the slight concave of the modify) and really not any beter then the rhop (irhop i think, cant recall) all in a 400fps m4 type gun with a madbull 6.03 barrel. I would say tho that it may he possible to get better results with alot of tinkering on an rhop, but for the ease of simple drop in install i vote promy smooth rubber and bridge tensioner all day long, under 370fps running .28 or lighter use the soft bridge and the hard one for heavier rounds/higher fps setups. Again just my opinion from my testing of the three, your ability to spronkle fairy dust on rhop installs may yield better results then mine tho i doubt it would be a huge improvent for the work involved (tho i guess the install tool maybmake it easier to see optimal results with the rhop)

[ThunderCactus]

All CNC means is that at some point in the process of making the gears, a CNC machine had worked on them.
All airsoft gears are CNC processed. Nobody's hobbed out a production run of gears on a manual mill since like...the 40s....
And if the gears are cast and sintered, they belong in the garbage.

[lurkingknight]

As far as I know all gears on the market aside from riot's are cast sintered steel. If they were cnc machined you'd be paying almost as much as riots. And if they were CNCed out of chromoly steel, then they'd be as much as riots.

And by CNC I'm talking the gears themselves being cut from billet, not finished with cnc.

[ThunderCactus]

It doesn't matter.
A CNC machine could be sintering them, or buffing them, or drilling a single hole. They're still CNC'd.
There isn't a percentage of work required to be labeled CNC, if any work what so ever is done by a CNC machine, they are CNC'd.

Also should be noted, it's a gimmick term to get geeks all hyped up. Nobody in industry ever refers to anything as being "CNC'd".

[bryanman]

First of all, 550 is the right length (to not be sticking out the end).

Secondly, I hope pestobanana is right (about the barrel length), because I'd rather not take apart the gearbox, don't have the time.

About the spring/fps it has a QC spring change so I'm just gonna toss the spring in there and hope for the best, I've found that my AK (completely stock CYMA, except for 470 fps spring, can outrange all my guns, even the G36c with TM cylinder set)

As far as the gears go, I don't think they matter to much for accuracy, as long as they don't break. Most of the stock gears i've seen seem fine, except for some crappy zamac ones from a sportline mp5k. Hopefully I wont have to buy a new set, but as for the piston head and air seal....really bursting my bubble here guys

I did some creative googling about the bridge hop, never heard of it before. Seems like a good idea, but it'd have to be shipped from Japan (the rest of the parts would take me like an hour to get and install) With the whole R-hop thing, I lOVE the idea, but I don't love the idea of someone doing it for me, does anyone know a link where I can order some? I'd be willing to order if its for an R-hop

Thanks for the feedback btw.

[lurkingknight]

Originally Posted by ThunderCactus

It doesn't matter.
A CNC machine could be sintering them, or buffing them, or drilling a single hole. They're still CNC'd.
There isn't a percentage of work required to be labeled CNC, if any work what so ever is done by a CNC machine, they are CNC'd.

Also should be noted, it's a gimmick term to get geeks all hyped up. Nobody in industry ever refers to anything as being "CNC'd".

that's what I'm saying. If you are expecting gears to be cut from a single piece of high quality billet, then the only true 'cnc' gears are riots.

The rest have varying degrees of computer machined involvement in terms of cutting the actual gears rather than being formed from heated powder mixtures and cut from less than perfect stock.

[Hectic]

if u look at airsoftparts.ca order the modify flat hop then the promy bridge tenssioner. They work well together. Last month when i looked i couldnt find the promy smooth rubber anywhere japan or otherwise

[bryanman]

Originally Posted by Hectic

if u look at airsoftparts.ca order the modify flat hop then the promy bridge tenssioner. They work well together. Last month when i looked i couldnt find the promy smooth rubber anywhere japan or otherwise

Thanks, so I'm hoping this will give me a shot with more range, and more consistency between shots. Am I correct?

[Hectic]

well itll give u more range and the ability to lift heavier bbs and in turn thatll give u more range as well. A good inner barrel will help with consistancy. Good airseal is key to that tho. If one shot is 375 fps and the next is 405 thats gonna mess with consistancy cause the hop up needed will be way different. 5 even 10 fps isnt all that bad but the less variance the better. 5 or less would be best tho. Thatll be piston to cylinder, cylinder to cyl head, head to nozzle, nozzle to hop up, hop up to barrel. All those places can leak, and can leak at different times and not always all the time thatll futz witj yer shot to shot fps alot if the seals at those places are wonky.
the fact its an ares makes me doubt its air seal capeabilities, tho they could be better than ive heard and it could be like alot of acm stuff some are good some are bad

[bryanman]

Hmm ok. I'll try all these things (promy bridge, bucking, TBB, spring). Then i'll go from there in regards to the sealing capabilities. Would you say TBB or WBB? Some guys on ASC were real confusing...