G&G SRXL upgrade guide request.

[Floreos]

Hey guys I'm a bolty guy, never opened a gear box

Google results were many and conflicting. I trust my canadians more!

Any advice on this gun in particular would be great! I've already R-hopped it (I seem to be particularly alright at it.)

Thanks!

[ThunderCactus]

What you're planning to do is going to heavily affect our advice.
What do you want your gun to do, specifically?

[Floreos]

Originally Posted by ThunderCactus

What you're planning to do is going to heavily affect our advice.
What do you want your gun to do, specifically?

Right!...

Well I was thinking dmr but it's really probably a terrible platform for that seeing as it's plastic. Maybe like a midrange/cqb gun I would rather go with consistency than high ROF

In a nutshell quiet and consistent. I'm not afraid of DIY if there is something like that. But I'm mostly looking for gearbox advice as I've littereally never touched one.

[Amos]

Save up and buy a better platform to upgrade, No use buying a few hundred dollar's worth of upgrade parts only to slap it into a low quality gun.

You can put lipstick on a pig... but y'know...

[Styrak]

Maybe don't open it at all? They're pretty great in stock form.

[Floreos]

Originally Posted by Amos

Save up and buy a better platform to upgrade, No use buying a few hundred dollar's worth of upgrade parts only to slap it into a low quality gun.

You can put lipstick on a pig... but y'know...

Yeah thats fair enough, but I feel like there is probably something cheap to be done like replacing the nozzle with one with an o-ring? ect.

Originally Posted by Styrak

Maybe don't open it at all? They're pretty great in stock form.

I may end up just keeping it as a gun for friends to come play with me.

[lurkingknight]

you're probably going to blow up the shitty integrated mosfet in it as soon as you up the power requirements of the system... low ratio gearset = harder to pull = more power drawn by motor. higher torque/speed motor = more power requirement = more power drawn.

Depending on where they decided to install this piece of shit mosfet, you may not have any alternative to replace it for your own, better unit. Their standard CM line would've been a better choice if you were going to upgrade a low end gun. As it sits, this thing might not be able to get much better outside of compression upgrades.

[pestobanana]

To be honest, if you've never opened a gearbox before then the potential benefit of a nozzle with an o ring is not worth the risk of screwing other stuff up.

[Floreos]

Originally Posted by lurkingknight

you're probably going to blow up the shitty integrated mosfet in it as soon as you up the power requirements of the system... low ratio gearset = harder to pull = more power drawn by motor. higher torque/speed motor = more power requirement = more power drawn.

Depending on where they decided to install this piece of shit mosfet, you may not have any alternative to replace it for your own, better unit. Their standard CM line would've been a better choice if you were going to upgrade a low end gun. As it sits, this thing might not be able to get much better outside of compression upgrades.

I've resoldered broken mosfets before

Originally Posted by pestobanana

To be honest, if you've never opened a gearbox before then the potential benefit of a nozzle with an o ring is not worth the risk of screwing other stuff up.

I'm very technically inclined. Not worried about opening it.



What I'm looking out of this thread is:

Will fixing the compression on this gun do anything significant as far as consistency goes? Not interested in upping the fps or making it faster, Thank you!

[RainyEyes]

Ya fixing compression will help in more consistent fps. May not necessarily assist in more consistent shots or groupings.

It will however help the longevity of your gun.

Without getting too technical, you should look up astilokillers it w.e dafuq his name is on YouTube for his shimming guide and maintenance guides. YouTube is a good start we can't possibly teach you everything via text. Teching is very hands on so you'll need to be very specific to get help from anyone not just ASC.

It's very technical
They don't call gun docs "technicians" by coincidence.

[Floreos]

Originally Posted by RainyEyes

Ya fixing compression will help in more consistent fps. May not necessarily assist in more consistent shots or groupings.

It will however help the longevity of your gun.

Without getting too technical, you should look up astilokillers it w.e dafuq his name is on YouTube for his shimming guide and maintenance guides. YouTube is a good start we can't possibly teach you everything via text. Teching is very hands on so you'll need to be very specific to get help from anyone not just ASC.

It's very technical
They don't call gun docs "technicians" by coincidence.

Thanks for the info! Would you say doing these compression mods would yield any kind of clearly noticeable difference in shot to shot consistency or is it mostly a waste of time?

[RainyEyes]

In extreme cases if you bought a stock gun like a g&g unless it has noticable variation between shots there is no need to do maintenance yet.

For example if it is meant to shoot 350 fps on .20 and you get between 300-350 fps, there's usually no reason to open it up to fix the seal. Good airseal is usually between +/-4 to 10 fps.

If you get shots going between 200-350 however, that is a significant difference that should be looked into because your shots are now going from 100 meters to anywhere about 50 meters.

This is the case where compression is starting to fail either because of a failing seal, broken part, etc. People generally don't open stock parts unless they're experienced or they run it until something breaks.

I've had people's ARES guns loose compression (you can hear it no bb's shoot but it feeds) after 100 shots.

But in general, it depends on how bad the deviance is in fps to really say how much it affects consistency. And that's just the FPS. The hop up plays a major part once you have good air seal still.

[Floreos]

Originally Posted by RainyEyes

In extreme cases if you bought a stock gun like a g&g unless it has noticable variation between shots there is no need to do maintenance yet.

For example if it is meant to shoot 350 fps on .20 and you get between 300-350 fps, there's usually no reason to open it up to fix the seal. Good airseal is usually between +/-4 to 10 fps.

If you get shots going between 200-350 however, that is a significant difference that should be looked into because your shots are now going from 100 meters to anywhere about 50 meters.

This is the case where compression is starting to fail either because of a failing seal, broken part, etc. People generally don't open stock parts unless they're experienced or they run it until something breaks.

I've had people's ARES guns loose compression (you can hear it no bb's shoot but it feeds) after 100 shots.

But in general, it depends on how bad the deviance is in fps to really say how much it affects consistency. And that's just the FPS. The hop up plays a major part once you have good air seal still.

That's the info I needed! Thanks!

[pestobanana]

ASTKilo has some of the worst tech guides on YouTube, do not follow them. Guides on YouTube in general are bad. The high speed tutorials and R Hop tutorials I've seen are fucking cringe worthy.

Replacing a nozzle with an O-ring nozzle will generally increase FPS and most of the time will also increase FPS consistency. A leaky part does not always mean high FPS deviation, a leaky part that consistently leaks in the same way will still provide consistent FPS.

Until you get +- 1 or 2 FPS, there is room to improve. FPS deviation is directly correlated with vertical deviation in groupings.

[RainyEyes]

Though if it weren't leaking from the nozzle, say, it were leaking from the piston head, it would definitely be something to look into. The piston head failing compression has a bigger impact on the nozzle.

Something that's consistently leaking may yield consistent shots, but it doesn't mean it will stay consistent. Things dry out over time so if it's starting to leak consistently now it maybe a matter of time before it starts to fail completely. A gun can go from 300 fps to 0 because the o-ring dried out mid game...

While I agree some of the YouTube guides aren't that great... For a beginner it's a start. Only other way he would learn is through trial and error and that can be costly and way way more time consuming than what he bargained for.

The only thing I don't like about astilokiller's tutorials and such is his bowl hair cut. Everytime. Like god damn...