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Styrak · January 31st, 2007, 17:10

Like it says I am new to airsoft and I believe I'm going to buy a metal/plastic GBB Glock 17. Now, I have read that .20g BB's are the best for normal airsoft guns. Is it safe to use .12g BB's? I assume they will just have a higher FPS. Will they affect the gun at all or damage it? Also, is it safe to dry fire a GBB hand gun with/without a mag full of gas? One last thing. I've read that gas lasts about 2 mags worth of BB's. Is this true, or what is the average?

amano999 · January 31st, 2007, 17:14

.12g bb's are not very good. No range, they won't fly very straight and ppl won't feel the hits. You can use them, but if you buy really cheap ones, then can break inside your gun and you gotta clean/fix it.

Mag fills depend on the gun, but usually 1 fill will go through 1-2 mags.

trufret · January 31st, 2007, 17:18

.12 bbs are generally very cheaply made with seems that may damage your hop-up. Dry firing may eventually cause parts of the firing mechanism to break but theres no telling when it will happen. how long a fill will last depends allot on the gun. I have a WA 1911 that will last 3-4 mags on 1 fill however i have a KJW para that only lasts for 1 mag sometimes less. some guns and valves are justmore gas efficient then others

Kid · January 31st, 2007, 17:30

I can't see dry firing with a mag full of gas hurting your gun, but I can definately tell you, from experience, that dry firing without a mag loaded, or an empty mag, will get you.

By the way, I was using a KJ G32C, which is the exact same as a KJ G23.

Styrak · January 31st, 2007, 17:33

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Originally Posted by Kid

dry firing without a mag loaded, or an empty mag, will get you.

How so? What do you mean exactly?

Kid · January 31st, 2007, 17:35

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Originally Posted by Styrak

How so? What do you mean exactly?

It takes away any 'cushion' the firing mechanism had. Just a lot of unnecessary wear.

Hard to explain...

Styrak · January 31st, 2007, 17:38

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Originally Posted by Kid

It takes away any 'cushion' the firing mechanism had.

Ah, I think I get what you mean, because the firing mechanism is going off, but the slide isn't going back, because no gas, right?

Brian McIlmoyle · January 31st, 2007, 17:46

.12 bbs are poor quality.. and may potentially break in the gun.. the quality control is poor and many are malformed..

That being said... I have fired thousands of .12 bbs when working on shooting form , drawing and firing.. weapon transitions and the like... where I was working very close range .. on static targets... ( to reduce costs )
I ran them through my KWC G19s...

Also these same guns have been dry fired lots... keep in mind every action with the weapon causes wear and tear... and chipps away at its useable service life..

I have 2 G19s still working out of the original 4 that I got almost 2 years ago .. they failed from metal fatigue on the outer barrels and on the hammer sears... just wore out.. after literally 10s of thousands of rounds through them.. and lots of .12 bbs and lots of dry firing....

So I don't know if anyone can say "empirically" from clear evidence and actual testing if running .12 bbs or dry firing has any real effect on the service life of GBB pistols...

Styrak · January 31st, 2007, 17:54

Thanks for the input.

kalnaren · January 31st, 2007, 17:57

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Originally Posted by Styrak

Ah, I think I get what you mean, because the firing mechanism is going off, but the slide isn't going back, because no gas, right?

I don't know about GBBs, but on AEG's are dry fired there is no resistance for the piston and it causes increased impact forces on the internal components. I would assume the same is for GBB guns.

WhatTheWho · January 31st, 2007, 18:04

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Originally Posted by kalnaren

I don't know about GBBs, but on AEG's are dry fired there is no resistance for the piston and it causes increased impact forces on the internal components. I would assume the same is for GBB guns.

Actually, to imply they are the same is to say that dry firing with a filled mag but no BBs causes damage. However, it's just as safe to fire a GBB with or without BBs.

Damage occuring when dry firing without a mag depends on the design of the GBB.

Take for example, a KSC Glock; the majority of the force of the hammer spring is taken by the hammer and the touch breach with or without a magazine. With a mag, the hammer pin takes some of the force as it strikes the flow valve.

In this case, I would rather have the hammer and touch breach take all the force instead of the hammer pin. You could state, then, that dryfiring without a mag is safer as it preserves the hammer pin.

Kid · January 31st, 2007, 18:04

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Originally Posted by kalnaren

I don't know about GBBs, but on AEG's are dry fired there is no resistance for the piston and it causes increased impact forces on the internal components. I would assume the same is for GBB guns.

But with GBBs, that just means the gas comes out faster. It shouldn't effect anything internally as long as the mag does in fact have gas in it.

But if the mag has no gas, there is no resistance when the firing pin strikes. That is what broke in my gun.

wildcard · January 31st, 2007, 18:31

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Originally Posted by Styrak

Like it says I am new to airsoft and I believe I'm going to buy a metal/plastic GBB Glock 17. Now, I have read that .20g BB's are the best for normal airsoft guns. Is it safe to use .12g BB's? I assume they will just have a higher FPS. Will they affect the gun at all or damage it? Also, is it safe to dry fire a GBB hand gun with/without a mag full of gas? One last thing. I've read that gas lasts about 2 mags worth of BB's. Is this true, or what is the average?

.12 bb's are good only for the marui tanks

Styrak · January 31st, 2007, 19:29

Thanks for all the info guys. If I DO get a gun, and I do want to dry fire, I'll have the mag in, at least. :P

And I'll use .20g!

Styrak · January 31st, 2007, 21:33

Ooooooh I have a few more questions. First of all, is it ok to leave a magazine charged? Or what do you do? How long are they ok to leave?

Is there any other AirSoft suppliers in Canada other than ASCArmoury or A&A that sell $200-ish GBB handguns?
Or is there any other suppliers at all in Canada for that matter? I haven't had any luck online.

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January 31st, 2007, 17:10	#1
Styrak Trader rating Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Saskatoon, SK	New to Airsoft Like it says I am new to airsoft and I believe I'm going to buy a metal/plastic GBB Glock 17. Now, I have read that .20g BB's are the best for normal airsoft guns. Is it safe to use .12g BB's? I assume they will just have a higher FPS. Will they affect the gun at all or damage it? Also, is it safe to dry fire a GBB hand gun with/without a mag full of gas? One last thing. I've read that gas lasts about 2 mags worth of BB's. Is this true, or what is the average?

January 31st, 2007, 17:14	#2
amano999 Trader rating Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Scarborough, Ontario, Canada	.12g bb's are not very good. No range, they won't fly very straight and ppl won't feel the hits. You can use them, but if you buy really cheap ones, then can break inside your gun and you gotta clean/fix it. Mag fills depend on the gun, but usually 1 fill will go through 1-2 mags. __________________ Team GHOSTS - Fides et Amicitia G-69

January 31st, 2007, 17:18	#3
trufret Trader rating Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Windsor Ontario	.12 bbs are generally very cheaply made with seems that may damage your hop-up. Dry firing may eventually cause parts of the firing mechanism to break but theres no telling when it will happen. how long a fill will last depends allot on the gun. I have a WA 1911 that will last 3-4 mags on 1 fill however i have a KJW para that only lasts for 1 mag sometimes less. some guns and valves are justmore gas efficient then others __________________ My OLD BUY/SELL Rating Site Admin: Windsor Airsoft Club

January 31st, 2007, 17:30	#4
Kid Trader rating Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Moose Jaw, SK	I can't see dry firing with a mag full of gas hurting your gun, but I can definately tell you, from experience, that dry firing without a mag loaded, or an empty mag, will get you. By the way, I was using a KJ G32C, which is the exact same as a KJ G23.

January 31st, 2007, 17:46	#8
Brian McIlmoyle 8=======D Trader rating Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Toronto	Dry fire... and .12 .12 bbs are poor quality.. and may potentially break in the gun.. the quality control is poor and many are malformed.. That being said... I have fired thousands of .12 bbs when working on shooting form , drawing and firing.. weapon transitions and the like... where I was working very close range .. on static targets... ( to reduce costs ) I ran them through my KWC G19s... Also these same guns have been dry fired lots... keep in mind every action with the weapon causes wear and tear... and chipps away at its useable service life.. I have 2 G19s still working out of the original 4 that I got almost 2 years ago .. they failed from metal fatigue on the outer barrels and on the hammer sears... just wore out.. after literally 10s of thousands of rounds through them.. and lots of .12 bbs and lots of dry firing.... So I don't know if anyone can say "empirically" from clear evidence and actual testing if running .12 bbs or dry firing has any real effect on the service life of GBB pistols... __________________ Brian McIlmoyle TTAC3 Director CAPS Range Officer Toronto Downtown Age Verifier OPERATION WOODSMAN If the tongue could cut as the sword does, the dead would be infinite

January 31st, 2007, 17:54	#9
Styrak Trader rating Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Saskatoon, SK	Thanks for the input.

January 31st, 2007, 19:29	#14
Styrak Trader rating Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Saskatoon, SK	Thanks for all the info guys. If I DO get a gun, and I do want to dry fire, I'll have the mag in, at least. :P And I'll use .20g!

January 31st, 2007, 21:33	#15
Styrak Trader rating Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Saskatoon, SK	Ooooooh I have a few more questions. First of all, is it ok to leave a magazine charged? Or what do you do? How long are they ok to leave? Is there any other AirSoft suppliers in Canada other than ASCArmoury or A&A that sell $200-ish GBB handguns? Or is there any other suppliers at all in Canada for that matter? I haven't had any luck online.

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