Isnt this called smuggling?

Drache · August 30th, 2007, 16:58

I was looking through the FAQ on Redwolf airsoft and games across this:

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There is possible risk of seizure in my country (e.g. Australia)...can you ship my guns disassembled so it won't be spotted and seized?

Yes we can disassemble certain guns and ship in separate packages to minimize risk of seizure. However, this is done entirely at the customer's own risk and RedWolf Airsoft cannot be held liable for any seizures. A service fee applies for this special instruction and in general recommend against this sort of action

How can a company legally do that?

BloodSport · August 30th, 2007, 17:01

It's the same as shipping individual parts which most of are not illegal to import.

Drache · August 30th, 2007, 17:17

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Originally Posted by BloodSport

It's the same as shipping individual parts which most of are not illegal to import.

Most of the ingredients in Crystal Meth are legal but the overall product created is illegal.

Bauholzwolf · August 30th, 2007, 17:22

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Originally Posted by Drache

Most of the ingredients in Crystal Meth are legal but the overall product created is illegal.

True, but Airsoft is more grey-area than crystal meth...

BloodSport · August 30th, 2007, 17:22

yup only illegal when you the receiver decide to combine them then.

Fly 9 · August 30th, 2007, 17:25

Especially in Australia where they're incredibly strict on replica weapons. When I was living there I was reading the news and some star wars enthusiast was stopped by the police, arrested and charged for carrying a replica firearm (storm trooper's blaster) in his backpack with the rest of his costume on his way to a photoshoot or something....they then had the photoshoot with only 2 storm troopers and a picture of him getting arrested a couple columns down.
As far as I remember, in Australia, you need a firearms licence to own/buy an airsoft gun.

Lakonian · August 30th, 2007, 18:03

I've been wondering this for a long fucking time... but.. would LE be able to seize your guns if proved to have been acquired after Dec(?) '98?

Ugh. I feel like a noob asking that... but I wouldn't want some asshole seizing a 3,000+$ investment..

Drache · August 30th, 2007, 18:07

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Originally Posted by kos

I've been wondering this for a long fucking time... but.. would LE be able to seize your guns if proved to have been acquired after Dec(?) '98?

Ugh. I feel like a noob asking that... but I wouldn't want some asshole seizing a 3,000+$ investment..

Technically yes

Ronan · August 30th, 2007, 18:08

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Originally Posted by kos

I've been wondering this for a long fucking time... but.. would LE be able to seize your guns if proved to have been acquired after Dec(?) '98?

Ugh. I feel like a noob asking that... but I wouldn't want some asshole seizing a 3,000+$ investment..

Yeah i was wondering that... Like the cops show up at a game and take all the airsoft guns... Can they do that? Can they break in my APT and take my gun because someone saw me clean it from my window (i live on the first floor). If i get pulled over for lets say speeding or my rear light is dead or just a 'check license'. Can they search my car (US plates, US insurance) in Canada and seize my rifle case and gun?

Drache · August 30th, 2007, 18:18

airsoft guns are NOT illegal in the eyes of the RCMP unless you do something stupid with them! They are only illegal to customs and it was customs agents who raided the airsoft stores in Vancouver and shut them down.

Brian McIlmoyle · August 30th, 2007, 18:19

Airsoft guns as a class of articles are not defined under the criminal code as replicas.

The only definition that 100% applies to airsoft guns is "not a firearm" ( in most cases...)

Some airsoft guns when compaired in a side by side visual comparison have been found to meet the definition of Replica Firearm under the Criminal code.

This does not in any way mean that all "airsoft" are replicas... only that when compaired in a court of law certain specific objects ( that just happen to be airsoft guns) were found to be replicas.

So it is not illegal to posses an object that has not been proven to be a replica... Even so if the police did consider your airsoft gun to be a replica on cursury observation ... it is not illegal to posses replica firearms ... and unless the police had specific clear evidence that you came into possesion of said article post 1998... well there would be no offense chargeable.

Brian McIlmoyle · August 30th, 2007, 18:32

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Originally Posted by Drache

I was looking through the FAQ on Redwolf airsoft and games across this:

How can a company legally do that?

It is illegal to import in some places ( Canada, without proper licenses )... it is not illegal in the country of origin to export to those countries...

The shipper is not doing anything Illegal.. they are just filling an order..

Andres · August 30th, 2007, 18:36

"They're not military helicopters!"

Styrak · August 30th, 2007, 19:02

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Originally Posted by Andres

"They're not military helicopters!"

Hunh?

Lakonian · August 30th, 2007, 19:04

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Originally Posted by Brian McIlmoyle

and unless the police had specific clear evidence that you came into possesion of said article post 1998... well there would be no offense chargeable.

That's what I mean. If I had a Star G36k (which I do, and am fondling right now..

) , and they proved it was purchased after 1998 (a simple search will reveal it only came out in 2003 , or something like that), would they be able to shit on me?

I live in an apartment too (landies have been RS owners for 45 years. And one is a Greek Navy vet. so keeping them here isn't a problem), with windows everywhere. If someone saw me transporting my AK, or G36, to the living room (for inspection/maintenance) would I get burned? What if it was a RS firearm?

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August 30th, 2007, 17:01	#2
BloodSport Traveling Man Trader rating Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Moose Jaw, Saskatchewan	It's the same as shipping individual parts which most of are not illegal to import. __________________ Saskatchewan Age Verifier! Contact for more Info.

August 30th, 2007, 17:22	#5
BloodSport Traveling Man Trader rating Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Moose Jaw, Saskatchewan	yup only illegal when you the receiver decide to combine them then. __________________ Saskatchewan Age Verifier! Contact for more Info.

August 30th, 2007, 17:25	#6
Fly 9 Trader rating Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Melbourne, Australia	Especially in Australia where they're incredibly strict on replica weapons. When I was living there I was reading the news and some star wars enthusiast was stopped by the police, arrested and charged for carrying a replica firearm (storm trooper's blaster) in his backpack with the rest of his costume on his way to a photoshoot or something....they then had the photoshoot with only 2 storm troopers and a picture of him getting arrested a couple columns down. As far as I remember, in Australia, you need a firearms licence to own/buy an airsoft gun. __________________ Xbox Live - Janoskovich Airsoft - There's nothing better than getting out in nature, away from everything you hate, and shooting at your best friend. Last edited by Fly 9; August 30th, 2007 at 17:31..

August 30th, 2007, 18:03	#7
Lakonian kos Trader rating Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Wherever.	I've been wondering this for a long fucking time... but.. would LE be able to seize your guns if proved to have been acquired after Dec(?) '98? Ugh. I feel like a noob asking that... but I wouldn't want some asshole seizing a 3,000+$ investment..

August 30th, 2007, 18:18	#10
Drache BALLET, TYPE: SELF LOATHING, ANALBURST Trader rating Join Date: Oct 2005	airsoft guns are NOT illegal in the eyes of the RCMP unless you do something stupid with them! They are only illegal to customs and it was customs agents who raided the airsoft stores in Vancouver and shut them down.

August 30th, 2007, 18:19	#11
Brian McIlmoyle 8=======D Trader rating Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Toronto	well not likely Airsoft guns as a class of articles are not defined under the criminal code as replicas. The only definition that 100% applies to airsoft guns is "not a firearm" ( in most cases...) Some airsoft guns when compaired in a side by side visual comparison have been found to meet the definition of Replica Firearm under the Criminal code. This does not in any way mean that all "airsoft" are replicas... only that when compaired in a court of law certain specific objects ( that just happen to be airsoft guns) were found to be replicas. So it is not illegal to posses an object that has not been proven to be a replica... Even so if the police did consider your airsoft gun to be a replica on cursury observation ... it is not illegal to posses replica firearms ... and unless the police had specific clear evidence that you came into possesion of said article post 1998... well there would be no offense chargeable. __________________ Brian McIlmoyle TTAC3 Director CAPS Range Officer Toronto Downtown Age Verifier OPERATION WOODSMAN If the tongue could cut as the sword does, the dead would be infinite

August 30th, 2007, 18:36	#13
Andres Trader rating Join Date: Aug 2006	"They're not military helicopters!" Last edited by Andres; August 30th, 2007 at 18:43..

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