"Angel-hard" piston body.

[dutchydoc]

Can anyone tell me anything about these, http://www.airsoftparts.ca/store2/in...roducts_id=441 is there a reason they are double the price of a systema body?

[Styrak]

Cause they're clear, of course.
Actually I don't know.

[trevor]

the deepfre full tit 1's are great

[dutchydoc]

Originally Posted by trevor

the deepfre full tit 1's are great

"full tit" as in the titanium ones?

[666]

Maybe full teeth? I've never heard about titanium piston before.

[dutchydoc]

Deep-fire makes a piston body that has titanium teeth, but i hear that using metal of any kind may be a bad idea, as it will send metal shavings everywhere if it gets messed up
What do you guys use, do you stick with polycarbonate or do you use aluminum piston head/body; or a mix of the two?
I have stripped the teeth off two bodies now and would like to rectify the problem..any ideas?

[666]

I used to use stock TM pistons and piston heads in all my guns, now I have stock TM, Guarder poly piston/p.head and CA piston/CAalluminum head.
Alumimum pistons can be bad for gears and mechbox, especially if you are using V2 box with high powered spring. Alumimum piston produces more impact, might cause sector gear to strip and result in damage to other parts of the box. With poly piston you are more likely to have stripped piston teeth and just jammed box.
Poly pistons usually don't go that fast if your gun is working properly and if piston body itself doesn't have any defects. I'm using stock TM piston for probably 2 years now without a problem. I had one poly piston strip when box wasn't properly shimmed and one when bb blocked the barrel and person who used my gun tried to clear the jam by firing my AEG with loaded mag still in it god knows how many times.

[AnakChan]

This Angel piston is a high-speed piston (short piston stroke). Count the number of teeth, 12. It's to be matched with a high speed Phoenix gear kit.

[freewheelin4eva]

so we are talking super high ROF? in shorter barrel guns? since you would not be getting a full stroke of the piston? so long barrel you would be getting barrel suck.
am I on the right track, or am I way in left field?

[dutchydoc]

Originally Posted by AnakChan

This Angel piston is a high-speed piston (short piston stroke). Count the number of teeth, 12. It's to be matched with a high speed Phoenix gear kit.

Thanks for clearing that up for me, my gun is an ICS M4 that is shimmed properly...I have now stripped two ICS Piston bodies. Are there any ICS users that have had this problem? I know of one other fellow that uses guarder P.bodies and has had no problems...anyone out there use systema?

[Skruface]

Originally Posted by freewheelin4eva

so we are talking super high ROF? in shorter barrel guns? since you would not be getting a full stroke of the piston? so long barrel you would be getting barrel suck.
am I on the right track, or am I way in left field?

You are correct, sir. Sort of. That piston is what is labelled by Angel as a "Choppaya" piston - and it requires you to modify the gearset as well, by removing teeth from the gear that contacts the piston. You need to remove the first 3 teeth that contact the gear, as well as the second last tooth (the one before the big fat one at the back of the piston).

The idea is that in a short-barreled, high ROF gun you do not need the piston do be drawn more than 1/2 way down the cylinder to achieve the full volume of air needed to push the bb out the barrel. Match this piston with a short (less than 250mm) barrel and a short (MP5) ported cylinder with the modified gears I spoke of above, and you will see about a 25% reduction in velocity and a roughly 20% increase in ROF.

[Mentosice]

I have repaired some ics and most of the time chopped piston is because when you closed the top reciver you haven't alligned the top gears in the correct clock. If you havent been there http://www.mechbox.com/site/ you get all info you need. If your gears are in the correct position when you close your gun then might be a too strong spring for a too weak piston.

Thats my 51 cent.

[AnakChan]

Originally Posted by freewheelin4eva

so we are talking super high ROF? in shorter barrel guns? since you would not be getting a full stroke of the piston? so long barrel you would be getting barrel suck.
am I on the right track, or am I way in left field?

Conceptually yeah, but it's not for like super short barrels. It's fine up to M4A1's (363mm). OTOH if you're talking about M16A2, of course super high ROF wouldn't work as you'd need a full cylinder for the 509mm barrel.

Have a look below, it's 13 teeth, not 12 but the piston is still 4/5 back :-

http://www.anakchan.com/gallery/Hobb...2_enterAlbum=0

Also, you can buy Phoenix Super High Cycle gear set with this Angel Piston :-

http://www.redwolfairsoft.com/redwol...l?prodID=17838

But do be warned , Phoenix "auto-shim" gears are noisy.

[Skruface]

Originally Posted by AnakChan

Have a look below, it's 13 teeth, not 12 but the piston is still 4/5 back :-

Is your sector chip homemade or store bought?

[Schwag]

I've been using the titanium tooth piston for a month now in a jg mp5 ris. Maybe 5000bbs.
It's smooth. No problems yet.