high speed vs high torque

[hybrid_liter]

I've been researching information to find out which is the ultimate motor for high speed(ROF).

Why is it that my friends systema motor seems to have high torque for big springs and decent ROF where mine has a lower torque but high end ROF?... Are there different systema motors? If so does anyone know where I could find out all the names of the different systema motors?

[Syn]

two types: systema turbo http://www.airsoftgi.com/product_inf...oducts_id=1843
"For those of you who seek for ultra-high rate of fire performance, Systema has the answer, with the release of this TURBO motor which delivers 30 revolutions per second (which far surpasses the current performance of the Marui EG1000)."



systema magnum http://www.airsoftgi.com/product_inf...oducts_id=1842
"In the past, super high speed and ultra high torque were complimentary features that you could not find in a single motor. You could either get a high speed motor, or a high torque motor. Recognizing a major need for a motor that could provide both, Systema embarked on a year long design that finally brings both these features in one package. Employing a break-through design, the new motor, called the MAGNUM, will be equally at home in high-speed or high-torque setup, while beating the performance of all previous generation motors - even those specifically tuned for high-torque or high-speed applications.


Each has 3 different lengths: short, medium, long

This page at the bottom lists some systema motors even the old discontinued ones. http://www.redwolfairsoft.com/redwol...ceSearchResult
use "systema motor" as search term for that site

[hybrid_liter]

thanks that helps alot..

[Non Credo]

And the turbo is a lot higher torque than any cheaper Classic Army high speed. Its on average more than double the price, but totally worth it. If its an indoor gun, you can compromise and get the CA, but for outdoor the CA just cant turn heavier springs.

Systema. No compromise.

[Splashx]

you may also search for Guarder infinite torque-up motor that is a bit cheaper than Systema, but a bit less of torque

[hybrid_liter]

lets say one is trying to turn over a SP140 spring... the hummer 1300 turns it over with ease yet it does'nt have a good ROF. So do you think the systema turbo will be able to turn it over being that it is a motor designed for high end, not so much in torque? Or is the Systema magnum going to be the answer?

[Crunchmeister]

I was wondering about motors as well. I have a CA M15A4 rifle. I've upgraded all the internals except the gears with System parts, and upgraded the spring to a Prometheus MS110SP. The motor is the stock Classic Army motor.

My rate of fire is about the same as it was before at about 12 bb/s. I'd like to increase that a bit, but not drastically. I know a 9.6V battery of higher capacity would do that (and have one on order). But I would also like to increase the response time from when my trigger is pulled to the time it fires. I was thinking that a high torque motor would be able to cock the spring a lot easier and possibly get me a higher rof as well in the process.

So, am I correct about this? Would a high torque motor increase firing response and only slightly increase my rof? I don't want my gun turning into a BB hose that empties a midcap in 3 seconds, and I fear that's what I high speed motor would do.

[Styrak]

A bigger battery (voltage and/or mAh) will help your trigger response Crunch.

[Splashx]

Originally Posted by Crunchmeister

I was wondering about motors as well. I have a CA M15A4 rifle. I've upgraded all the internals except the gears with System parts, and upgraded the spring to a Prometheus MS110SP. The motor is the stock Classic Army motor.

My rate of fire is about the same as it was before at about 12 bb/s. I'd like to increase that a bit, but not drastically. I know a 9.6V battery of higher capacity would do that (and have one on order). But I would also like to increase the response time from when my trigger is pulled to the time it fires. I was thinking that a high torque motor would be able to cock the spring a lot easier and possibly get me a higher rof as well in the process.

So, am I correct about this? Would a high torque motor increase firing response and only slightly increase my rof? I don't want my gun turning into a BB hose that empties a midcap in 3 seconds, and I fear that's what I high speed motor would do.

what I do, but maybe not the best, is having a Systema M100(little less fps than Prom ms110sp), 8.4v 3300/3700 mah and Guarder Hi-torque motor. It has a ROF much too high but good response. With the Hi-torque gears coming, it will lower the Rof and increase response time. With my 3300/3700 mah, the batt will last longer. It's what I wanted. No need of 9.6v

[amano999]

I got a 170 spring in my mp5k. Before I got a guarder motor in there semi auto would constantly jam up. Now it's normal and the ROF is up as well.

The guarder motor was half the price of the systema as well.

[Crunchmeister]

The battery I'm currently using in my rifle is an 8.4V 2500 mAh. It performs well and have no real complaints. The 2 batteries I ordered are 9.6V 3300mAh. Both the extra voltage and capacity should help out somewhat. I know the capacity is only 800 mAh more, so that won't do a whole lot, but I think that should help, especially with the higher voltage.

Lately I've realized how fast the trigger response is on my RS Type 56. Even with my 8.4V 1500 mAh battery, trigger response is almost instantaneous. I don't even hear the damn motor winding up before the shot. When I tried connecting my C8's 9.6V 2000 mAh battery, trigger time was even quicker, and rof increased nicely from about 12 bb/s to 19 bb/s. I would love to be able to get both that kind of response (not likely) and rof out of my M15.

But I think that what you suggested, Splashx, makes sense... a kickass high torque motor with high torque gears would increase the initial torque and response time, while keeping the rof reasonable too.

Just another thing - half-tooth pistons. If I WERE to install just a high torque motor, would a half-tooth piston actually work with stock gears? IN theory (assuming it could be installed with standard gears), would that effectively decrease my rate of fire, theoretically by 1/2?

[Endymion]

A half-tooth piston just has half-width teeth... it shouldn't affect your ROF at all.

[Crunchmeister]

Really? I was under the impression that it had 1/2 the number of teeth, which would make it cycle at 1/2 the speed. I could be wrong though, and this is why I'm asking, since all of you know more about this stuff than I do...

[Splashx]

Originally Posted by Crunchmeister

Really? I was under the impression that it had 1/2 the number of teeth, which would make it cycle at 1/2 the speed. I could be wrong though, and this is why I'm asking, since all of you know more about this stuff than I do...

it's not the 1/2 half of the teeth, but 1/2 (half) the larger of the teeth
You won't need half teeth piston with motor or torque-up gears, only infinite/super torque-up gears on high powered aegs

EDIT : I think we're getting away of current thread's subject :P

[Crunchmeister]

Thanks for all the info. Gives me some stuff to think about and consider. My new batteries were shipped yesterday, so if customs don't decide to hang on to my package for a while, I'll have it by Monday. I'll see how the heavier batteries perform and make a decision on the next step (if any) based on that.