Tokyo Marui P90 600 FPS upgrade?

Auhydride · July 30th, 2008, 17:54

Budget = high
ROF = Doesn't matter much, just make it shoot auto.
Life = matters, shouldn't break on the second day.

What do you suggest?
Not my gun, my friend likes to shoot cans, bottles and watermelons, so it's not for skirmish, it won't get out of our shooting range actually.

eV.Viper · July 30th, 2008, 18:01

Quote:

Originally Posted by Auhydride

Budget = high
ROF = Doesn't matter much, just make it shoot auto.
Life = matters, shouldn't break on the second day.

What do you suggest?
Not my gun, my friend likes to shoot cans, bottles and watermelons, so it's not for skirmish, it won't get out of our shooting range actually.

For what I know, you'll have to upgrade everything inside the gearbox:
- hi torque motor (like the systema magnum)
- reinforced gears
- reinforced piston (full metal teeth would be perfect)
- reinforced piston head/cylinder head
- ball bearing spring guide
- insane spring (I don't know if they're doing some)
- reinforced gearbox shell

But hey, 600fps is over the legal limit !! I suggest you to raise it to 500fps or you'll need a firearm license for an airsoft gun !

Even for shooting cans, stock TM can deliver good performances (at least if you don't want to shoot thru 5cans). If you want to spend almost 300$ or more of upgrades go for it...

PaCHeKo! · July 30th, 2008, 18:03

He's in Istanbul, I guess airsoft players are crazy over there..

eV.Viper · July 30th, 2008, 18:07

woups my bad, didn't see lol !

Rock 'N' Roll Outlaw · July 30th, 2008, 18:28

Quote:

Originally Posted by eV.Viper

But hey, 600fps is over the legal limit !! I suggest you to raise it to 500fps or you'll need a firearm license for an airsoft gun !

Not unless the fps -AND- the joule limit are both reached or surpassed. 500 fps and 5.7 joules are hard to attain together. So you can have more than 500 fps as long as it shoots less than 5.7 joules.

KNIVEZS · July 30th, 2008, 18:29

holly 600 fps thats crazy

Auhydride · July 30th, 2008, 18:32

Actually, our players are against FPS over 350. It's just my friend thats a bit crazy heheh.
No legality problems at joules here, as long as the gun isn't shown in public or used for bad purposes, it's cool. Our customs are a bit problem though, especially with replicas of turkish army weaponary, without a huge orange tip it's really hard to pass a rifle that is also used in the army.
Airguns that shoot over 1000 FPS also doesn't require license, but if you dare to hunt with them (shooting birds for example), or harm someone, you are in deep deep trouble. Same goes for airsoft, shoot at animals, it will be considered as illegal hunting.

Talking about fps over 600.
This one was at 650.
Some parts were custom made, full metal.

It costed over 5000$ to build it. It was quite old too, before all those good upgrade stuff.
It got stolen :/ never to be found.

Sha Do · July 30th, 2008, 19:07

Your number one concearn will the the mech box, and I do not know how makes a reinforced mech box for the P90 (but if any one finds a supplier, please send me a PM).
You'll probably need some type of wiring (re wire with 16 guage low resistance wire) and battery mod (ie. an external battery) to feed that beast, as it only houses a mini or J-batt mini.
Other than that, you're good to go with torque up (level 3 or simular), and reinforced / upgraded everything else available (spring guide, piston, piston head, cylinder, etc...). The spring is gonna be the problem, as I don't think you can mod a 380% PDI to fit.

Good luck.
SHA DO

Auhydride · July 30th, 2008, 21:08

We can produce our own airgun springs if necessary, so spring should be okay.
Also will use those sorbo pads and see if they help.
If the gearbox breaks even after sorbo pads, i can check if it would be possible to get one built at a CNC shop. Or at least reinforce an existing one.

Auhydride · July 31st, 2008, 18:34

Why can't i find any torque up gears for p90? Noone produced them?

Auhydride · July 31st, 2008, 19:31

Hello again
I'm in a bit of trouble.
Can anyone link me to exact products i should purchase? (other than the wire, mosfter, connector stuff that can be found easily)
It should be at least 550 FPS.
My friend is in a hurry, he is even going to pay for DHL so shipping will be fast.
I just need exact product names, links that i should purchase, and install.
I would do research myself and take my time, but the parts must be ordered in one day.
People say there are no gears for version 6, but version 7 gears work for version 6 if the bushings are reversed.
http://www.airsoftretreat.com/forums...3332.msg651804
But don't know if it's true or not.
Any help will be greatly appreciated.

Sha Do · July 31st, 2008, 20:50

Shipped in one day?? Ouch, probably ain't gonna happen.
Anyways, gears for a version 2 or 3 mech box will work in a version 6 box. So any good quality (steel) gear set that is for version 2 will be what you are looking for.

I had no idea that gears for a version 7 box would work in a version 6 (by revesing the two bushings). I would think that would misalign the gears with the piston teeth, or at least place the gear too far back to match with the piston properly.

SHA DO

Auhydride · July 31st, 2008, 21:09

orders must be placed tomorrow :/ shipping will take 3-4.
Version 2 or 3, that thread says the version 7 gears fit perfectly with that trick, i wonder anyone here tried this?

AnakChan · July 31st, 2008, 22:49

Actually, I think this requires a bit more thought. I've got a P90 and have put a Prometheus MS190 in it. I did this ages ago and if I recall correctly I'd get a higher fps and J with a longer inner barrel (469mm) than with the standard 247mm length (both cases with matching cylinder). And in a way that does make sense.

What I'm trying to say is that you may have problems reaching 600fps with a P90 by its inherent design.You either have to make it into a PS90 or use a different AEG altogether.

Auhydride · July 31st, 2008, 23:45

Was told to get these

http://www.poweredgeusa.com/product....yID=90&ID=3232
http://redwolfairsoft.com/redwolf/ai...l?prodID=22975
http://redwolfairsoft.com/redwolf/ai...l?prodID=17245
http://redwolfairsoft.com/redwolf/ai...l?prodID=21300
http://redwolfairsoft.com/redwolf/ai...il?prodID=8401
http://redwolfairsoft.com/redwolf/ai...l?prodID=21363
http://www.airsoftgi.com/product_inf...oducts_id=1686
http://redwolfairsoft.com/redwolf/ai...l?prodID=17679

Also custom built gears from this guy
http://forums.airsoftmechanics.com/i...p?topic=1208.0

And sorbothane piston head and cylinder head from Tirador.
Also
Enhanced Tappet for TM Ver.6 Gear Box
Mosfet w/ AB
Low gauge wiring, deans
Higher amp fuse
Tougher hop up

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July 30th, 2008, 17:54	#1
Auhydride Trader rating Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Istanbul	Tokyo Marui P90 600 FPS upgrade? Budget = high ROF = Doesn't matter much, just make it shoot auto. Life = matters, shouldn't break on the second day. What do you suggest? Not my gun, my friend likes to shoot cans, bottles and watermelons, so it's not for skirmish, it won't get out of our shooting range actually.

July 30th, 2008, 18:03	#3
PaCHeKo! Trader rating Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: St-Jérôme, Québec	He's in Istanbul, I guess airsoft players are crazy over there.. __________________ P.M.C. - Prostituée Militaire de Campagne.

July 30th, 2008, 18:07	#4
eV.Viper Trader rating Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Montreal, Quebec	woups my bad, didn't see lol ! __________________ Aka Raptor TM M3 Shorty KJW Beretta M9

July 30th, 2008, 18:32	#7
Auhydride Trader rating Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Istanbul	Actually, our players are against FPS over 350. It's just my friend thats a bit crazy heheh. No legality problems at joules here, as long as the gun isn't shown in public or used for bad purposes, it's cool. Our customs are a bit problem though, especially with replicas of turkish army weaponary, without a huge orange tip it's really hard to pass a rifle that is also used in the army. Airguns that shoot over 1000 FPS also doesn't require license, but if you dare to hunt with them (shooting birds for example), or harm someone, you are in deep deep trouble. Same goes for airsoft, shoot at animals, it will be considered as illegal hunting. Talking about fps over 600. This one was at 650. Some parts were custom made, full metal. It costed over 5000$ to build it. It was quite old too, before all those good upgrade stuff. It got stolen :/ never to be found. Last edited by Auhydride; July 30th, 2008 at 18:36..

July 30th, 2008, 19:07	#8
Sha Do Trader rating Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: No where to be seen......Hillsburgh	Your number one concearn will the the mech box, and I do not know how makes a reinforced mech box for the P90 (but if any one finds a supplier, please send me a PM). You'll probably need some type of wiring (re wire with 16 guage low resistance wire) and battery mod (ie. an external battery) to feed that beast, as it only houses a mini or J-batt mini. Other than that, you're good to go with torque up (level 3 or simular), and reinforced / upgraded everything else available (spring guide, piston, piston head, cylinder, etc...). The spring is gonna be the problem, as I don't think you can mod a 380% PDI to fit. Good luck. SHA DO __________________ SHOOT TO KILL......... WITH COMPASSION

July 30th, 2008, 21:08	#9
Auhydride Trader rating Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Istanbul	We can produce our own airgun springs if necessary, so spring should be okay. Also will use those sorbo pads and see if they help. If the gearbox breaks even after sorbo pads, i can check if it would be possible to get one built at a CNC shop. Or at least reinforce an existing one. Last edited by Auhydride; July 30th, 2008 at 21:14..

July 31st, 2008, 18:34	#10
Auhydride Trader rating Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Istanbul	Why can't i find any torque up gears for p90? Noone produced them?

July 31st, 2008, 19:31	#11
Auhydride Trader rating Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Istanbul	Hello again I'm in a bit of trouble. Can anyone link me to exact products i should purchase? (other than the wire, mosfter, connector stuff that can be found easily) It should be at least 550 FPS. My friend is in a hurry, he is even going to pay for DHL so shipping will be fast. I just need exact product names, links that i should purchase, and install. I would do research myself and take my time, but the parts must be ordered in one day. People say there are no gears for version 6, but version 7 gears work for version 6 if the bushings are reversed. http://www.airsoftretreat.com/forums...3332.msg651804 But don't know if it's true or not. Any help will be greatly appreciated. Last edited by Auhydride; July 31st, 2008 at 19:52..

July 31st, 2008, 20:50	#12
Sha Do Trader rating Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: No where to be seen......Hillsburgh	Shipped in one day?? Ouch, probably ain't gonna happen. Anyways, gears for a version 2 or 3 mech box will work in a version 6 box. So any good quality (steel) gear set that is for version 2 will be what you are looking for. I had no idea that gears for a version 7 box would work in a version 6 (by revesing the two bushings). I would think that would misalign the gears with the piston teeth, or at least place the gear too far back to match with the piston properly. SHA DO __________________ SHOOT TO KILL......... WITH COMPASSION

July 31st, 2008, 21:09	#13
Auhydride Trader rating Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Istanbul	orders must be placed tomorrow :/ shipping will take 3-4. Version 2 or 3, that thread says the version 7 gears fit perfectly with that trick, i wonder anyone here tried this?

July 31st, 2008, 22:49	#14
AnakChan Trader rating Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Tokyo	Actually, I think this requires a bit more thought. I've got a P90 and have put a Prometheus MS190 in it. I did this ages ago and if I recall correctly I'd get a higher fps and J with a longer inner barrel (469mm) than with the standard 247mm length (both cases with matching cylinder). And in a way that does make sense. What I'm trying to say is that you may have problems reaching 600fps with a P90 by its inherent design.You either have to make it into a PS90 or use a different AEG altogether.

July 31st, 2008, 23:45	#15
Auhydride Trader rating Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Istanbul	Was told to get these http://www.poweredgeusa.com/product....yID=90&ID=3232 http://redwolfairsoft.com/redwolf/ai...l?prodID=22975 http://redwolfairsoft.com/redwolf/ai...l?prodID=17245 http://redwolfairsoft.com/redwolf/ai...l?prodID=21300 http://redwolfairsoft.com/redwolf/ai...il?prodID=8401 http://redwolfairsoft.com/redwolf/ai...l?prodID=21363 http://www.airsoftgi.com/product_inf...oducts_id=1686 http://redwolfairsoft.com/redwolf/ai...l?prodID=17679 Also custom built gears from this guy http://forums.airsoftmechanics.com/i...p?topic=1208.0 And sorbothane piston head and cylinder head from Tirador. Also Enhanced Tappet for TM Ver.6 Gear Box Mosfet w/ AB Low gauge wiring, deans Higher amp fuse Tougher hop up

Tokyo Marui P90 600 FPS upgrade?

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