Quick Noob Question: Charging Handle

jareyes · June 23rd, 2009, 21:37

Hey guys, just had a sporadic curiosity question:

Do you know of any AEG's (or even GBB rifles) that chamber when you pull the charging handle back? On my AEG sometimes (might be all the time, haven't really been paying full attention to be honest) the first shot of a fresh mag is a dry-fire and it kills me to hear it. Anyone have a way to get around this/know of an AEG that does not do this? Thanks for the response in advance.

Sarky · June 23rd, 2009, 21:47

I dont think any AEG can do that. I think GBB rifles do I think

ujiro · June 23rd, 2009, 21:51

GBB rifles do this, if I am not mistaken. All of the GBB armalites, to my knowledge, do this.

Rock 'N' Roll Outlaw · June 23rd, 2009, 21:56

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sarky

I dont think any AEG or GBB can do that. I think GBB rifles do I think

This post makes no sense. You dont know of any AEG or GBB that does, but GBBs do?

Anyways, any gas guns are much more realistic, in terms of having to chamber the initial round to fire. Be it pistols or rifles. AEGs are just more practical.

AngelusNex · June 23rd, 2009, 21:57

GBBs do that, AEG's do not, though your first shot should be a bb unless your spring was compressed (bad for gun if left like that in storage)

kalnaren · June 23rd, 2009, 22:08

Your first shot shouldn't be a dry fire unless the mechbox is partially cycled. As the mechbox cycles, the sector gear pulls back the tappet plate, which pulls back the nozzel allowing a BB to load. If it dry fires, it means the sector gear has already passed that point when it started cycling -which can only happen if the mechbox is partially wound.

ujiro · June 23rd, 2009, 22:18

Mine does that, only because I use a very powerful battery, so it always over-turns a bit every time. You could possibly remedy this by using a sector clip.

Sarky · June 23rd, 2009, 22:29

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rock 'N' Roll Outlaw

This post makes no sense. You dont know of any AEG or GBB that does, but GBBs do?

Anyways, any gas guns are much more realistic, in terms of having to chamber the initial round to fire. Be it pistols or rifles. AEGs are just more practical.

Ya forgot to edit out the GBB part.

L473ncy · June 23rd, 2009, 23:08

I'm 90% sure it shouldn't be doing that.

If you take a look at how it works is that once you load the mag into the magwell there's a thing that pushes back that thing blocking the bb's form getting pushed out. So once you load the mag in, the BB's will get pushed out of the mag by the spring into the chamber to fire. The only reason it would dryfire is if there's something blocking the chamber. There's a gif of an AEG and how it works below:

http://www.airsoftretreat.com/galler.../vidfingif.gif

Basically the only reason why it would dryfire the first round is if the black thing right there is blocking the chamber meaning that you're spring is half compressed when you are loading the mag which causes it to block the stream of BB's.

Sorry for the long winded explanation (I'm sure I've repeated the same thing but in a different way) but yeah basically, make sure the spring isn't compressed when you load your mag and it shouldn't dryfire on you.

yuhaoyang · June 24th, 2009, 00:01

Quote:

Originally Posted by ujiro

Mine does that, only because I use a very powerful battery, so it always over-turns a bit every time. You could possibly remedy this by using a sector clip.

A sector gear clip doesn't actually help that problem, it only helps the nozzle timing. To cure that over turning thing, just lightly tap the trigger on semi to pull back the piston, then pull the trigger again, and what you want to hear is just a click as the piston is released, then it's fully decompressed as the gears didn't have any momentum to carry the piston another half cycle.

Also, there are 2 parts where the nozzle is fully forward and the first shot will be a dry fire. The first part is at a half cycle, the second part is right at spring decompression. If the gun doesn't have a mosfet there may be a small chance that the sector gear stops right after spring decompression and the tappet is fully forward. This is pretty rare though as gear momentum usually pulls the tappet back.

It could happen on full auto however, which is why you dry fire a few times after mag removal.

ujiro · June 24th, 2009, 00:04

Oh no I know it won't fix the overturning. I just mean it'll probably let the nozzle stay back long enough that it will still feed.

Only real way to fix the overturning (permanently) is to get a Mosfet with active braking.

yuhaoyang · June 24th, 2009, 00:06

I havn't.. =p
just work it out by sound, and it works perfectly. Which is the whole reason why I havn't gotten one in fact =D

jareyes · June 26th, 2009, 15:39

Geeze, everytime I post a question I am assaulted with knowledge.. which isn't a bad thing. Thanks guys for clarifying this, I guess I'll just have to settle for my AEG for gaming and have a GBB on the side. As for the dry-fire, yeah it turned out to be a half-cycled shot. I realized after I read that post that before the mag had emptied, I had the selector on auto. Then after loading a new mag, switching it to semi, the first trigger pull was very light indicating I guess a half cycle. Thanks for clearing that up guys, really helps.

Home	Forums	Register	Gallery	FAQ	Calendar
Retailers	Community	News/Info	International Retailers	IRC	Today's Posts

British Columbia	Alberta
BCAC	EAR
Op-For	JOC
Northern Arms Airsoft	Skunkworx Airsoft
Airsoft Kelowna	RAAT
Prince George Airsoft	Manitoba
Saskatchewan	MAA
SK Airsoft	Ontario
PDW	Airsoft Ottawa
South Sask Mercs	Snow Dragons
Quebec	1st Ranger Platoon
PQAC	Wolfpack Tactical
1st Pathfinders Regiment	TTAC3
Quebec Airsoft
MTX Airsoft	Atlantic
FAQc	Atlantic Airsoft

June 23rd, 2009, 21:37	#1
jareyes Trader rating Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Toronto	Quick Noob Question: Charging Handle Hey guys, just had a sporadic curiosity question: Do you know of any AEG's (or even GBB rifles) that chamber when you pull the charging handle back? On my AEG sometimes (might be all the time, haven't really been paying full attention to be honest) the first shot of a fresh mag is a dry-fire and it kills me to hear it. Anyone have a way to get around this/know of an AEG that does not do this? Thanks for the response in advance.

June 23rd, 2009, 21:47	#2
Sarky Trader rating Join Date: May 2008 Location: Winnipeg	I dont think any AEG can do that. I think GBB rifles do I think Last edited by Sarky; June 23rd, 2009 at 22:29..

June 23rd, 2009, 21:51	#3
ujiro Trader rating Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Burlington, ON	GBB rifles do this, if I am not mistaken. All of the GBB armalites, to my knowledge, do this. __________________ I love freedom and consequently America

June 23rd, 2009, 21:57	#5
AngelusNex formerly Sepulcrum Trader rating Join Date: May 2007 Location: Kingston,ON, aka Funkasia	GBBs do that, AEG's do not, though your first shot should be a bb unless your spring was compressed (bad for gun if left like that in storage)

June 23rd, 2009, 22:18	#7
ujiro Trader rating Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Burlington, ON	Mine does that, only because I use a very powerful battery, so it always over-turns a bit every time. You could possibly remedy this by using a sector clip. __________________ I love freedom and consequently America

June 23rd, 2009, 23:08	#9
L473ncy Trader rating Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: 11-30-24-1W5	I'm 90% sure it shouldn't be doing that. If you take a look at how it works is that once you load the mag into the magwell there's a thing that pushes back that thing blocking the bb's form getting pushed out. So once you load the mag in, the BB's will get pushed out of the mag by the spring into the chamber to fire. The only reason it would dryfire is if there's something blocking the chamber. There's a gif of an AEG and how it works below: http://www.airsoftretreat.com/galler.../vidfingif.gif Basically the only reason why it would dryfire the first round is if the black thing right there is blocking the chamber meaning that you're spring is half compressed when you are loading the mag which causes it to block the stream of BB's. Sorry for the long winded explanation (I'm sure I've repeated the same thing but in a different way) but yeah basically, make sure the spring isn't compressed when you load your mag and it shouldn't dryfire on you. __________________ ಠ_ಠLess QQ more Pew Pew READY TO >> RACE

June 24th, 2009, 00:04	#11
ujiro Trader rating Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Burlington, ON	Oh no I know it won't fix the overturning. I just mean it'll probably let the nozzle stay back long enough that it will still feed. Only real way to fix the overturning (permanently) is to get a Mosfet with active braking. __________________ I love freedom and consequently America

June 26th, 2009, 15:39	#13
jareyes Trader rating Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Toronto	Geeze, everytime I post a question I am assaulted with knowledge.. which isn't a bad thing. Thanks guys for clarifying this, I guess I'll just have to settle for my AEG for gaming and have a GBB on the side. As for the dry-fire, yeah it turned out to be a half-cycled shot. I realized after I read that post that before the mag had emptied, I had the selector on auto. Then after loading a new mag, switching it to semi, the first trigger pull was very light indicating I guess a half cycle. Thanks for clearing that up guys, really helps.

Quick Noob Question: Charging Handle

Newbie Tank